Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

[Marshall_Abuser]

Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

I have the Full Shred set in my main axe, so yes, it is GREAT for shred, but it lacks something that the JB has : the singing mids with the elastic feel. The FS also lacks a bit of output. It is my experience that Duncan pickups seem to lack output compared to most Dimarzios and I've tried a LOT of humbuckers over the last 10 years. The Dimarzio X2N is a fantastic shred pickup (output, smoothness, dual rails).

IMO a crossover of the FS and JB could possibly be better than any Dimarzio (including the X2N) for shred. If Duncan wants to venture into Dimarzio's territory, which mostly comprises high-gain, smooth and precise shred humbuckers, they would have to think like Dimarzio and let go of the vintage style and look. I also favor a double rail design to eliminate dropout when bending and to provide a more searing high-end while remaining smooth on the top.

So you don't find the full shred as a "shredder's" pickup?

 

[Fusion1]

Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

Make a JB/Full Shred hybrid. A5/A8 or ceramic mag and you might find your holy grail shred pickup.

 

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Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

^ do you think it might be a little noisy, would you recommend an EQ or a gate with that?

 

[serizawa]

Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

<cough>
satch...

Maybe some EJ?

 

[Petrovsk Mizinski]

Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

<cough>
satch...

Who?

 

[Diocletian]

Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

Who?

That trumpet guy.

 

[fretburner]

Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

doesn't satch use a PG set in one of his chrome boys?

 

[Fusion1]

Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

^ do you think it might be a little noisy, would you recommend an EQ or a gate with that?

A JB/Full Shred hybrid noisy? Why would it be? Were you replying to my post or something else?

 

[Lonkero]

Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

I have the Full Shred set in my main axe, so yes, it is GREAT for shred, but it lacks something that the JB has : the singing mids with the elastic feel. The FS also lacks a bit of output. It is my experience that Duncan pickups seem to lack output compared to most Dimarzios and I've tried a LOT of humbuckers over the last 10 years. The Dimarzio X2N is a fantastic shred pickup (output, smoothness, dual rails).

IMO a crossover of the FS and JB could possibly be better than any Dimarzio (including the X2N) for shred. If Duncan wants to venture into Dimarzio's territory, which mostly comprises high-gain, smooth and precise shred humbuckers, they would have to think like Dimarzio and let go of the vintage style and look. I also favor a double rail design to eliminate dropout when bending and to provide a more searing high-end while remaining smooth on the top.

Beg to differ. There's no just one concept of which shredding pickup should be. As for Yngwie, it's always been clean tone with relatively low output to keep the notes well separated. In my opinion good pickup for shredding is not high-output which easily causes the notes to become mushy and not well separated.

I mostly play Yngwie stuff with my Ibanez S with Alnico II pro neck humbucker, which compared to other neck humbuckers i've used is slightly lower in output and attack. But I love the thing it keeps the signal so clear I can hear every note when shredding. I don't know what's the secret to Alnico II pro's clear articulation, the alnico II magnet or the winding? Or perhaps the both together?

Anyway, the point was that good shredding pickup can also be quite low when it comes to output.

 

[Marshall_Abuser]

Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

You're right! Pushing it to the limit, many players just shred on acoustic guitars!
I just happen to prefer the power and compression of very high output pickups.
I like my guitar to feel powerful rather than weak. Just a preference, really!

Also, the electrical engineer in me prefers to have maximum efficiency in a magnetic pickup. Why waste voltage at the first mechanical/electrical conversion step? I was an EMG fan for about 8 years and played nothing but EMGs. Those are good pickups, but a bit too sterile in the pick attack and not elastic enough.

Anyway, the point was that good shredding pickup can also be quite low when it comes to output.

 

[Ayrton]

Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

I am of the opinion that Paul's sound has improved over the years. However, there are those that feel the opposite.

His sound with the single coils, and Marshall are his best IMO.

 

[Archer_of_Fish]

Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

Beg to differ. There's no just one concept of which shredding pickup should be. As for Yngwie, it's always been clean tone with relatively low output to keep the notes well separated. In my opinion good pickup for shredding is not high-output which easily causes the notes to become mushy and not well separated.

I mostly play Yngwie stuff with my Ibanez S with Alnico II pro neck humbucker, which compared to other neck humbuckers i've used is slightly lower in output and attack. But I love the thing it keeps the signal so clear I can hear every note when shredding. I don't know what's the secret to Alnico II pro's clear articulation, the alnico II magnet or the winding? Or perhaps the both together?

Anyway, the point was that good shredding pickup can also be quite low when it comes to output.

Yngwie uses gobs of gain, he even talks about how his style makes his tone sound clean when in fact this tone is very high gain.

 

[Lonkero]

Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

Yngwie uses gobs of gain, he even talks about how his style makes his tone sound clean when in fact this tone is very high gain.

Yeah, but the gain comes after the pickup. The idea in his tone is to keep the signal from the pickup clean as possible and then boost it afterwards with pedal and amp. In fact, dimarzio YJM (now hs-4) is one of their lowest output hum-cancelling singlecoil.

There's a difference wheter the output and gain comes from the amp/pedal or the pickup itself

 

[Diocletian]

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Yngwie has horrible rythm tone, simply because he DOES use a lot of gain but through single coils. It just doesn't work for the heavier rythm guitar parts IMO.

He has a great lead tone though. His "Concerto in Eb" album has great lead tone throughout. I don't know why he doesn't use something like the Hot Rails or JB Jr for rythm/bridge position and his new sig pickup for the neck position (where he does his leads).

 

[Aceman]

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He has a great lead tone though. His "Concerto in Eb" album has great lead tone throughout. I don't know why he doesn't use something like the Hot Rails or JB Jr for rythm/bridge position and his new sig pickup for the neck position (where he does his leads).

I think that is a fantastic album - but I can't stand the mix!!!! I heard a live version that was better IMO.

 

[Petrovsk Mizinski]

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Yeah, Malmsteen has NEVER had good rhythm tone if I must be brutally honest.
There's a reason why the big names in metal audio engineering don't track with single coils for rhythm guitar, and Malmsteen's tone is pretty much evidence of why.

 

[Diocletian]

Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

I think that is a fantastic album - but I can't stand the mix!!!! I heard a live version that was better IMO.

The live version is the one I was meaning - I've never heard the studio version. The live one, with the Japanese orchestra, is just fantastic. His playing is beyond belief.

 

[fretburner]

Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

Yeah, Malmsteen has NEVER had good rhythm tone if I must be brutally honest.
There's a reason why the big names in metal audio engineering don't track with single coils for rhythm guitar, and Malmsteen's tone is pretty much evidence of why.

I thought his rhythm tone in "Facing the Animal" was at least decent, if not good and pretty heavy.

 

[Lonkero]

Re: Yngwie Malmsteen comes to Seymour Duncan

Yeah, Malmsteen has NEVER had good rhythm tone if I must be brutally honest.
There's a reason why the big names in metal audio engineering don't track with single coils for rhythm guitar, and Malmsteen's tone is pretty much evidence of why.

I doubt yngwie's songs would sound good if humbuckers were used on rhythm tracks. I love the his not-so-tight rhythm tone which is kind of trademark for him as is the shredding tone too

 

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A JB/Full Shred hybrid noisy? Why would it be? Were you replying to my post or something else?

hey

yeah, just a bit on account of the coil/wind mis-match