You want doublecreams?

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WolfeMacleod said:
Cool. Doesn't work well on an LP with cream everything.
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This is true, butI would not use dimarzios because i reckon patenting the double cream is the action of a dodgy businessman and i like to feel good about the stuff I use.
Easy to change the pickup rings to parchment.
 
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The Duncan parchment color isn't the same as the traditional cream color. I know since I have some AII Pros in parchment as Shop Floor Customs. The parchment color is more of an off white. I would use it in a situation where "aged white" was called for.
 
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Mincer said:
I think there are less and less guitarists every year interested in double cream. New players like black, and weren't born in a time where double cream was a thing.
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Not really. Neon colored knobs and pickups are still sought after by young players today, 20 something years after Steve Vai had abandoned his colorful Jems.
 
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WolfeMacleod said:
Cool. Doesn't work well on an LP with cream everything.
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That isn't my experience overall. I work with a lot of young guitarists. They honestly couldn't care less. But to be fair, they don't dig sunburst LPs either. The next generation of guitarists will have their own things they care about.
 
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darthphineas said:
Licensing and being bullish with the lawyers are the same things, for example... which were the points I was suggesting.
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I think what he was trying to say is, technology is the fruit of intellectual capital and people are willing to put money on it. But color is cosmetic and licensing it is a rip off.
 
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KNUCKLHEAD said:
Dumajeeoh or Dumarzeeoh all sound italian
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What? Hahaha :-D

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How about force DiMarzio into specifying what the *exact* creme color is in some globally recognized format (hex, DuPont code, whatever, etc) in the courtroom?

Then allow their trademark to cover that exact shade only. Other manufacturers can then do their (different) shades of creme.



What is the exact definition of "creme"? There are many shades of "creme" or "creme-colored" of course.

To just use the term "creme" is actually quite subjective color-wise and therefore open to interpretation.

Because it is subjective and therefore a loose term, how can one accuse another of using "creme" when "creme"
isn't exactly defined in the trademark? (maybe it is; haven't read the TM, but I'd bet it isn't)

There must be a specific "creme" and it must be exactly defined in legalese writing in order to say, "I have dibs on this color".

I agree that trademarking a color is ridiculous... unless you actually invented that specific color.

EDIT: I just saw the previous page with what appears to be the trademark legalese... only thing it mentions is "creme color"...
well, what exact shade of creme? They don't say...
 
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Obsessive Compulsive said:
I think what he was trying to say is, technology is the fruit of intellectual capital and people are willing to put money on it. But color is cosmetic and licensing it is a rip off.
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I get it. I'm not so sure the intent of my original comment was taken, as much as being pull apart for semantics, which is nothing new on the Internet, so it's not a big deal. [emoji6][emoji6][emoji6]
 
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And don't get started on the Dimarzio pat/tm on PAF or P.A.F. or whatever it is.

His sole attribute is greed.
 
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It's Not His Sole Attribute , Before Yesterday I knew Nothing of Any of this . I'm a Long time Guitarist with probably 50% of All the Pickups in my guitars are DiMarzios . These Pickups ended up in those because of subjectivity and Years of building, experimenting, repairing , at near Infinitum ( U can tell I haven't been around the Internet guitar world a whole lot ~ Mainly real life music + business experience ). Am I Disheartened and Bummed to Learn all this , U'Betcha !
 
Re: You want doublecreams?

kramersteen said:
That;s pocket money for lawyers.
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For lots of lawyers, sure. But it's not pocket money for the smaller pickup winder who is trying to pay legal fees to fight a relatively large corp. over a pickup bobbin color trademark.
 
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dystrust said:
It isn't. That's why he's applying for a trademark instead of a patent.
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Actually, it is. And not just aesthetically. The chrome plastic is metallic, and electrically conductive, therefore is capable of providing additional shielding on the top and bottom surfaces of the coil, which is where hum/interference generally enters the coil.
That's part of the problem with people trademarking stuff like this. Examiners don't know the technology at all. That's how Rickenbacher got away with trademarking the entire look and design of a horseshoe style pickup -- a patent that expired 50+ years ago or so. In effect, they now have a perpetual "patent" that will never expire.

And speaking of black vs cream bobbins, there is a difference. The carbon-black in the bobbins messes with not only the dielectric constants, but the hardness and stiffness of the bobbin. The dielectric constants mess with sound itself. Remember the old myth that double-cream PAFs sounded better? It might just be true.
 
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There are ways around the whole Larry DaDouchio trade mark infringement $#it. Like making white into double cream yourself!!! I've stained dozens of white and parchment Duncan's & other humbuckers double cream, you have to do it at your own risk but it can be done...

I did a job for a friend where I pretty much perfectly matched a white Duckbucker to a stock cream Lil-59 & JB-jr in a Everything Axe guard he wanted put together. That required completely removing the cover & then re-glueing it after the color was right, for regular humbuckers you just have to be a little Mr. Miyagi about it! "DanielSon Wax on, Wax off!!!"

If anyone wants to try this out I'd suggest a few practice runs before you try it on anything you consider decent.....
 
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I'd be interested to know (I never looked) if the exact shade of creme that you can't use has ever been determined...like a PANTONE color formula or something.
 
Re: You want doublecreams?

Anything doublecream is out. You can do doublewhite, and the parchment colour which is still in the white spectrum.

One of the myriad issues is the vagueness.
 
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