Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

  • The physical power of a real amp is the whole point. I don't care how it records

    Votes: 13 22.8%
  • I don't spend gear money on arrangements of 1s and 0s

    Votes: 11 19.3%
  • If I buy modeling, hardware only (e.g. AxeFx)

    Votes: 10 17.5%
  • If I buy modeling, software only, don't need to spend money on soon-obsolete DSPs

    Votes: 10 17.5%
  • I don't believe any modelers record as well as an amp (yet?), so the point is moot

    Votes: 9 15.8%
  • I do music (semi-)professionally and use whatever supports the business best

    Votes: 13 22.8%
  • I don't even have an amp made after 1983

    Votes: 9 15.8%
  • I actively dislike having too many knobs to fiddle with. Some amps just sound right

    Votes: 18 31.6%
  • I don't trust digital gear reliability

    Votes: 7 12.3%
  • I think modeling is the way to go looking forward

    Votes: 21 36.8%

  • Total voters
    57
Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

In 1991, rack equipment was all the rage; the Rockman was the closest thing to a modeler we had.

Yes and no. Tom Sholtz' devices were only half of the story. Their buzzy guitar sounds still needed to pass through a mixing console and print onto analogue tape - preferably with the meters into the red to get some compression.
 
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I'm bad with knobs and switches... My pedalboard has just expanded recently and I'm struggling with it - and it went from two to four pedals (not including the tuner).
 
Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

As a player that's my way to go. You decide.



I used this little preamp (and a couple of different models) mic'd, with amp, without an amp and cab sim out only, whatever. It was always fun and gave quick and good results for recording and it doesn't feel any worse whatsoever than any of my tube amps before. Okay 'good' is a subjective term, I mean something that I'm happy with playing and listening. I love it because it's an instant result and feels organic.

From recording tech point of view, I use the most efficient way that gives results, may it be modelling or mic'd reel stuff. I always try to start from the basics of having a good amp in a good room with good mics - but many times tweaking a modeler in 10 minutes is much more efficient than burning 1 hour to find the sweet spot of a real amp. Clients pockets decide. Most of the time it is impossible to make a difference between real and modeler as modelers mimic the recorded sound anyway. They are making a damn good job these days.
 
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lol the clip is into a 5150 poweramp and then into a 412! :banana: both clips sound great for that style of music for sure.
 
Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

lol the clip is into a 5150 poweramp and then into a 412! :banana: both clips sound great for that style of music for sure.

There's other 5150 vs P1 pedal videos where the person is going out from the pedal into the computer:

 
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cool man! I really dig Necropolo's music, I am sure that he has made the right choice. cool video.

Just saw the heavy rock band "RED FANG" last night! They ALL USE SOLID STATE for their heavy downtuned rock. nobody cared that there were no tubes involved... sold out crowd of 300 people or so!
 
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cool man! I really dig Necropolo's music, I am sure that he has made the right choice. cool video.

Just saw the heavy rock band "RED FANG" last night! They ALL USE SOLID STATE for their heavy downtuned rock. nobody cared that there were no tubes involved... sold out crowd of 300 people or so!

Red F$$kin Fang. Nice.
I'm pretty sure they're sick of their stuff breaking so they went SS when they actually had to start slogging their gear around the country/world. I know one of the guitarists gets most of his tone from a Megalith Delta pedal.
I need to get way more into that band. I look like I should be in it.
 
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Interestingly, when Joe Gore did his amps vs modelers the results were nearly split. That is, there was no statistical difference between the two, people couldn't tell them apart.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/tonefiend/recording/can-you-tell-amps-from-amp-models/

heheheh Joe Gore. I like that guy's articles.
Most of the time people will only really know if it's the real deal is if they're turning the knobs themselves. One thing's for sure; bad biasing is a choice on a sim.
 
Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

For players using amp sims, are you going directly into an interface? Or first into a preamp? Maybe the latter defeats the purpose?
 
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For players using amp sims, are you going directly into an interface? Or first into a preamp? Maybe the latter defeats the purpose?

best to have a nice clean signal, so going into a neutral preamp is a good idea. An interface will have a good enough preamp to make it work fine. Plugging into the mic plug on a computer sucks though, from experience.
preamp/poweramp/cabinet should all be taken care of in program. You could always do something like one of the AMT pedals and use a computer for cabinet emulation alone.
 
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For players using amp sims, are you going directly into an interface? Or first into a preamp? Maybe the latter defeats the purpose?

Guitar -> UA 710 Twin-Finity DI input -> Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 -> iMac -> AmpliTube 3

The 710 is a really nice DI/preamp, but I get good results going straight into the Saffire as well.
 
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Guitar -> UA 710 Twin-Finity DI input -> Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 -> iMac -> AmpliTube 3

The 710 is a really nice DI/preamp, but I get good results going straight into the Saffire as well.

Any particular situation for using one over the other? Say clean vs dirty sounds?
 
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Any particular situation for using one over the other? Say clean vs dirty sounds?

I can dial in the 710 to suit whatever kind of tone I'm going for. Adding a bit more tube gain really does wonders for a clean tone, but usually just mucks up a high gain tone.

The only situations where I'd go straight into the Saffire instead of the 710 is if I wanted a super clinical clean tone, or a super-compressed and distorted high gain tone - basically the extreme ends of the spectrum.
 
Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

A Kemper Profiling amp is around $3000 but you would have to spend 100 times that to own all of the amplifiers... it's really a cost and ease of use thing.

To get a non master volume tube amp to break up properly you need to turn it up so loud that you will damage your hearing if you are in the same room as it is.

The biggest thing with master volume tune amps is that when you play light, it's clean and when you hit it hard, it's dirty... the top of the line modelers all can do that with aplomb.

Of course, the wealthy members will all tell you that you can't get good tone unless you shell out big bucks for a vintage or boutique tube amp that is really great at getting one or two different tones to fall in love with.

You then end up with a very expensive pedalboard full of gadgets to make that vintage or boutique tune amp more versatile... and that eventually leads to another vintage or boutique tube amp purchase.

And when you want to record... you gotta buy MICROPHONES, PREAMP(S) and an INTERFACE or other DAW hardware. Oh my God... you mean we have to learn how to use this stuff to actually get a recorded signal?

Should have just bought a Kemper and been done and on to the next song already.

I would rather profile my amps and play them through a Kemper than play the amps themselves. I live in a duplex and can't turn my tube amps past 2.

I also don't like losing takes whenever a large dump truck drives by or someone turns on their lawn equipment across the street... of course, the wealthy members will wonder where my private secluded studio with thousands of dollars worth of sound treatment is and why I am not using it.

Not all great musicians are born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Some of us have to make do with what we have and are tired of unreasonable expectations from unrealistic people on the gear we use.

Of course, "Black Dog" was recorded through the mixing board... so was the "Another Brick in the Wall" solo... and so was the "Reelin in the Years" solo.

Those are three of the most iconic tones of the 20th century and they were achieved without an amplifier (sort of early attempts at modeling IMHO).

I personally think that when it comes to modeling vs tube amps, "The luddites just love the errant & amateur sound of the ringing electric guitar strings combined with the sound of a distorted iPhone".
 
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Not all great musicians are born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Some of us have to make do with what we have and are tired of unreasonable expectations from unrealistic people on the gear we use.

I'm not sure how constructive it is to equate having a large gear budget with coming from a wealthy family. Some people just make a crapload of money, for any number of reasons, and they spend it on stuff. Like gear. I think it's sufficient to say that guitarists are working with a very wide range of budgets, and leave class-related divisiveness out of it. (That's what my grandmother told me to post, before she had her driver bring the car around so she could go home and prepare for the fox hunting.)
 
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They want $3000+ for a bunch of zeros and ones said to emulate some amps?
 
Re: Your attitude toward modeler gear and modeler software

Some people want that much for a paper speaker in a box. Both sound pretty crazy to me; I plug my guitar into an empty cereal box. I find Kashi Crunch has a nice… eh… crunch… to it.
 
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They want $3000+ for a bunch of zeros and ones said to emulate some amps?

You could also plug your guitar into a $100 practice amp and line out to record. There's a few 8in speaker combos with really nice emulations, like the older vox ad series. You could also buy a pedal like an AMT or Catalinbread. I personally don't like the Kempers because they're not doing an appreciably better job than Line 6. For 3k Line 6 has all tube amp stacks.
If youre afraid of digital, analog pedals do an excellent job of emulating amps too.

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