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    andyg_prs
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  • andyg_prs
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    Originally posted by ArtieToo View Post
    I hope that didn't sound sarcastic. Didn't mean it that way. The last time I did a job like this . . . it required some routing.

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    No, not at all, at least I've realised now before even starting that no SD stacked single coil is going to fit....

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  • ArtieToo
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  • ArtieToo
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    I hope that didn't sound sarcastic. Didn't mean it that way. The last time I did a job like this . . . it required some routing.

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  • ArtieToo
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  • ArtieToo
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    Originally posted by andyg_prs View Post
    I think the additional central route would provide a path for that wire sticking out of the side....
    I'm sure they'll fit like a glove . . . assuming you can teleport them into position. The "trick" is to slide them in there. If you tilt the pup, to point the cable down, they no longer fit. Pythagorean theorem is a *****.

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  • andyg_prs
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  • andyg_prs
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    Originally posted by ArtieToo View Post

    I hate to keep bearing bad news, but I have a set of Red Devils, (not installed yet), and they also have the wire coming straight out of the side, and because of the circuit board, zero chance of bending the cable down to get the pup to slide down into that route. Not sure how you could do it.
    Hmm, I wish I'd taken better pictures now....but from the look of the pickup that you posted earlier on in this thread, I think the additional central route would provide a path for that wire sticking out of the side....

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  • ArtieToo
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  • ArtieToo
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    Originally posted by andyg_prs View Post
    So I contacted SD. Interestingly they recommended the Red Devil over the Lil 59 . . .
    I hate to keep bearing bad news, but I have a set of Red Devils, (not installed yet), and they also have the wire coming straight out of the side, and because of the circuit board, zero chance of bending the cable down to get the pup to slide down into that route. Not sure how you could do it.

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  • Mincer
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  • Mincer
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    Originally posted by andyg_prs View Post
    So I contacted SD. Interestingly they recommended the Red Devil over the Lil 59 but said if I was going custom shop that the single coil version of the Pearly Gates was a little warmer and looser sounding.

    However, there was no suggestion that a pickup could be made any less tall, and essentially that routing a little deeper would be my option there.

    Due to the risk factor of what might work in my guitar (unadulterated) I’ll be scanning for used SC sized humbuckers - but there doesn’t seem to be many of them out there.

    I’ll keep trying though!
    Had you talked to the Custom Shop directly? They may be able to fabricate a shorter bobbin for the wind you want.

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  • playas
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  • playas
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    If the custom shop can't help, may be worth a try calling bare knuckle pickups to see if they can do something that would fit. Has the added advantage of being closer to home for you.

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  • andyg_prs
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  • andyg_prs
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    So I contacted SD. Interestingly they recommended the Red Devil over the Lil 59 but said if I was going custom shop that the single coil version of the Pearly Gates was a little warmer and looser sounding.

    However, there was no suggestion that a pickup could be made any less tall, and essentially that routing a little deeper would be my option there.

    Due to the risk factor of what might work in my guitar (unadulterated) I’ll be scanning for used SC sized humbuckers - but there doesn’t seem to be many of them out there.

    I’ll keep trying though!

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  • magillver
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  • magillver
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    FWIW, I have a Little'59 in the neck position of my strat. Everything I've heard/read says not to split them, but I recently set up a series/parallel switch, and really like the parallel tone, not as rich as the series humbucker wiring, less overtones, but a very nice full tone, nonetheless. A buddy of mine described it as cleaner sounding.

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  • playas
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  • playas
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    Originally posted by andyg_prs View Post
    Hi guys, changing strings for a gig, finally got a chance to remove the pickup. I've done a drawing (not to scale) for the route along with a pic.

    Essentially the main route is 16mm deep, but a pickup can only be "sunk in" about 10mm deep as it has ears that are not routed as deep at either side.

    To deal with the challenge of wire routing there is a thin channel at the centre of the route that is about 4mm deep.

    The pictures don't do things justice but everything is beautifully finished which makes me less inclined to route any deeper.

    The current pickup probably extends to about 8mm beyond the surface of the body route with perhaps 2mm more for the tallest pole piece.

    If I look up the lil '59 it says it is 0.85" which converts to 21.59mm. So that is 11.59mm above the surface of the body....or roughly 2mm more than the current pickup. There's plenty of string clearance....I guess I won't know till I try.

    As an aside, in the past I have done partial coil taps on humbuckers whereby rather than sending a complete coil to ground I've put a resistor in series to only shunt part of that coil to ground. No idea what would happen to the pickup characteristic if I were to do the same for the main output from the pickup.....I'd obviously rather not have to start doing all of that.

    Another question is, what is the lowest output single coil sized humbucker that SD do?Click image for larger version

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    Thanks,
    Andy

    PS - the max length and width of the lil '59 are right on the cusp of what might or might not fit into the route too!
    That's a beautiful top.

    Another option is you could always try asking your local Duncan dealer to check how much it would cost to order a custom shop pickup specifically to fit the route. If that's an acceptable option I bet they would be able to make you something that fits perfectly with the advantage of being able to specify exactly what tones you're after too. Or the dealer themselves might be willing to let you try out some pickups and return them if they don't fit properly - especially if you bring the guitar in in person, minus the pickup in question to try it out.


    I know in Europe that's not always a realistic option, but worth a try certainly.

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  • Teleplayer
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  • Teleplayer
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    Cool rails will be close, but probably not fit without modifying the guitar route IMO.

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  • Mincer
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  • Mincer
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    Originally posted by andyg_prs View Post

    Another question is, what is the lowest output single coil sized humbucker that SD do?[ATTACH=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","title":"Vigier guitar route.jpg","data-
    Most likely, the Duckbucker and/or Vintage Rails.

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  • andyg_prs
    Tone Member

  • andyg_prs
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    Hi guys, changing strings for a gig, finally got a chance to remove the pickup. I've done a drawing (not to scale) for the route along with a pic.

    Essentially the main route is 16mm deep, but a pickup can only be "sunk in" about 10mm deep as it has ears that are not routed as deep at either side.

    To deal with the challenge of wire routing there is a thin channel at the centre of the route that is about 4mm deep.

    The pictures don't do things justice but everything is beautifully finished which makes me less inclined to route any deeper.

    The current pickup probably extends to about 8mm beyond the surface of the body route with perhaps 2mm more for the tallest pole piece.

    If I look up the lil '59 it says it is 0.85" which converts to 21.59mm. So that is 11.59mm above the surface of the body....or roughly 2mm more than the current pickup. There's plenty of string clearance....I guess I won't know till I try.

    As an aside, in the past I have done partial coil taps on humbuckers whereby rather than sending a complete coil to ground I've put a resistor in series to only shunt part of that coil to ground. No idea what would happen to the pickup characteristic if I were to do the same for the main output from the pickup.....I'd obviously rather not have to start doing all of that.

    Another question is, what is the lowest output single coil sized humbucker that SD do?Click image for larger version

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    Thanks,
    Andy

    PS - the max length and width of the lil '59 are right on the cusp of what might or might not fit into the route too!

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  • Juanhanglo
    Toneologist

  • Juanhanglo
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    Originally posted by andyg_prs View Post

    No, I’m in the uk and going via their official distributor. I tried emailing Dimarzio direct to understand the delay and got no response.
    That stinks. Do you try calling them? Or multiple emails?

    I know they have only a 2 to 3 week turn around time for something like this. The delay is most likely the distributor.

    Try banjomikez. He operates through ebay and reverb. He can get stuff in 3 to 4 weeks and possibly ship out. I am not sure if his operation does worldwide shipping, but i dont see why not

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  • andyg_prs
    Tone Member

  • andyg_prs
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    Originally posted by Juanhanglo View Post

    They make both emg style and standard strat.

    Did you call dimarzio direct? They will get you what you want in less than 3 weeks, provided you are in the USA.

    I got a custom colored set of breeds (discontinued but available upon request) in less than 2 weeks from order to doorstep.
    No, I’m in the uk and going via their official distributor. I tried emailing Dimarzio direct to understand the delay and got no response.

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