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    hi,

    here is the photo of a les paul jimmy page cavity.

    i read here, that some scheamtics on the net (like the electronicsguitar.com ) don't work. the gibson official looks good but not in totality as wrote archie

    is there a specialist able to analize this photo and eventualy able to correct the gibson schematic?

    thanx

    Last edited by millenofx77; 04-23-2006, 03:26 PM.

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    Re: jimmy page wiring: photo and explanation

    Originally posted by millenofx77
    hi,

    here is the photo of a les paul jimmy page cavity.

    i read here, that some scheamtics on the net (like the electronicsguitar.com ) don't work. the gibson official looks good but not in totality as wrote archie

    is there a specialist able to analize this photo and eventualy able to correct the gibson schematic?
    I put the Schector SuperRock harness in my LP about 25 years ago, hand wired with 4 Schector OmniPots. I believe that this harness does everything that the JP harness does. As I recall there was an error in the 1980 edition of the Donald Brosnac book, which I corrected and updated for modern push-pull pots:

    http://www.blueguitar.org/new/schem/...r/superck1.pdf

    Perhaps the experts here can point out any errors in this drawing (I never did try wiring up the revised design). I came up another drawing which supposedly would have made the split coils humcancelling (at least when the phase switch wasn't pulled out):

    http://www.blueguitar.org/new/schem/...r/superck2.pdf

    I've come up with better ways to make humcancelling coil splits since then... like flipping the magnet and inverting the leads as PRS did. So any suggestions on the second drawing would be appreciated as well!

    The following link has the corrected drawing from the Donald Brosnac book, as well as the two drawings referenced above for one stop shopping:

    http://www.blueguitar.org/new/schem/...ck_harness.pdf

    P.S. Was that a picture of your own guitar, or something that you found on-line? I'm surprised that Gibson used the gray shielded cable...
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    • #3
      Re: jimmy page wiring: photo and explanation

      i asked to 2 ebay members who sell those guitars and they send me this pictures.
      here is the second picture from a second paul jpage


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      • #4
        Re: jimmy page wiring: photo and explanation

        hahaha ummmmm holy crap
        I have had the wiring for years and swear by it. I think more people should have it

        but uhhhhhhhh mine looks gorgeous and clean

        that thing looks like a MESS

        did your guitar throw up?

        guitarelectronics has one but its not that effectient either, though it works. Get it done professionally - trust me. It cost me a couple of bucks, but I have NEVER looked back!
        1973 Les Paul Standard
        1973 Marshall Super Lead 100

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        • #5
          Re: jimmy page wiring: photo and explanation

          Supposedly torresengineering.com has a pre wired set- you just connect the pickups

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          • #6
            Re: jimmy page wiring: photo and explanation

            I'll stick with Eddie Van Halen...On knob, one pup. That looks crazy in there.
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            • #7
              Re: jimmy page wiring: photo and explanation

              This Gibson drawing and schematic are ALMOST exactly what Robert_S sent me a few years ago, saying it was THE Jimmy Page wiring. (Checked too quickly and missed the 2 errors that Robert & Artie point out below. My BAD!!! ) I've never tried it.

              If you want something different, what is it?

              BTW those photos are not useful to me since I've never seen push/pull pots that look like that underneath. Also, some of the wires go "under" components so we can't tell exactly where they go. Lastly, please use an Orange Drop or equivalent tone cap instead of that ceramic cap.

              Finally, I've attached an explanation of the JP switching options that also came from Robert.

              Chip
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              Last edited by Fresh_Start; 04-17-2006, 07:49 PM. Reason: Refer to Artie's drawing with corrections - matches what Robert sent me in 2002
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              • #8
                Re: jimmy page wiring: photo and explanation

                Originally posted by Fresh_Start
                This Lastly, please use an Orange Drop or equivalent tone cap instead of that ceramic cap.
                Chip
                SORRY I don't understand exactly what do you mean (as most french citizen i am not really good in english ...sorry)

                what i need is:
                push pull for each pickup in the two volumes pots
                push pull for serie-// in the bridge tone (serie when push)
                push pull for phase-reverse phase inthe neck tone (phase when push)

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                • #9
                  Re: jimmy page wiring: photo and explanation

                  The only problem with the schematic that fresh start posted is that it is missing one connection.

                  Look at the green/white wire on the neck pick, it has a line that just stops. That line (wire/connection) needs to be made to the neck pickup volume pot push pull, which also has a wire that goes nowhere.
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                  • #10
                    Re: jimmy page wiring: photo and explanation

                    Actually, its missing two connections. The red wire, (black, in my version), from the top of the neck pup to its volume control is also missing. (Robert pointed this out a long time ago.)

                    Here's the "touched-up" version: (And converted to Duncan colors.)



                    Edit: Removed the last part of this post because it probably only confused the issue.

                    Artie
                    Last edited by ArtieToo; 04-17-2006, 07:05 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: jimmy page wiring: photo and explanation

                      Originally posted by millenofx77
                      SORRY I don't understand exactly what do you mean (as most french citizen i am not really good in english ...sorry)

                      what i need is:
                      push pull for each pickup in the two volumes pots
                      push pull for serie-// in the bridge tone (serie when push)
                      push pull for phase-reverse phase inthe neck tone (phase when push)
                      You also need two .02uf capacitors as shown in Artie's schematic.

                      In the photos, you can barely see a round (disk-shaped), orange/brown capacitor between the top two pots and a second one between the bottom two pots. They are connected with yellow wires. These are necessary for the tone controls.

                      Hope this helps.

                      Chip
                      Heritage 535 Special, Warmoth frankenstrat, MIM Strat, & Taylor 314C(no E)
                      Amp Builds: Tweed Princeton (5F2-A) variation, 2 BF Princeton Reverb clones, & Super Reverb clone
                      Sometimes use a Blues Jr., Tech 21 Trademark 10 & Power Engine 60
                      SPG modded DS-1, TS-7 & CryBaby; Visual Sounds Rte. 66 & H2O; Guyatone Tremolo
                      SD pickups: SSL-2, APS-2, tapped Quarter Pound, Custom 5 & Antiquity humbuckers

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                      • #12
                        Re: jimmy page wiring: photo and explanation

                        Robert - I apologize for not carefully comparing that Gibson crap with the schematic you sent to me.

                        Artie - thanks again for the drawing, and especially the kind correction(s)



                        Chip
                        Heritage 535 Special, Warmoth frankenstrat, MIM Strat, & Taylor 314C(no E)
                        Amp Builds: Tweed Princeton (5F2-A) variation, 2 BF Princeton Reverb clones, & Super Reverb clone
                        Sometimes use a Blues Jr., Tech 21 Trademark 10 & Power Engine 60
                        SPG modded DS-1, TS-7 & CryBaby; Visual Sounds Rte. 66 & H2O; Guyatone Tremolo
                        SD pickups: SSL-2, APS-2, tapped Quarter Pound, Custom 5 & Antiquity humbuckers

                        "Conan! What are the best things in life?"
                        "Girls, guitars, guns and cars!"

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                        • #13
                          Re: jimmy page wiring: photo and explanation

                          You're welcome. I've been studying this for quite awhile, since the question keeps coming up. The thing that was driving me nuts was that if you lift the neck tone switch, both pups lose their ground. It took me forever to realize that they actually wanted both pups full-on, in-series, with one out-of-phase. Can't imagine what that sounds like.

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                          • #14
                            Re: jimmy page wiring: photo and explanation

                            Originally posted by ArtieToo
                            Actually, its missing two connections. The red wire, (black, in my version), from the top of the neck pup to its volume control is also missing. (Robert pointed this out a long time ago.)

                            Here's the "touched-up" version: (And converted to Duncan colors.)



                            Edit: Removed the last part of this post because it probably only confused the issue.

                            Artie
                            thanx very much!

                            one more request, can you make me this schematic like the duncan schematic one the web site ?
                            SOMETHING for the total neophyte,yhat i am

                            i appologize for asking so much questions,thanx every one

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                            • #15
                              Re: jimmy page wiring: photo and explanation

                              Originally posted by millenofx77
                              thanx very much!

                              one more request, can you make me this schematic like the duncan schematic one the web site ?
                              SOMETHING for the total neophyte,yhat i am

                              i appologize for asking so much questions,thanx every one
                              On that schematic, where coming from the pickups it says red/white to Lug B on the treble volume DPDT, how do you connect that? Do you just solder both wires to Lug B?

                              -Mike

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