1985 Kramer
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Mr 9finger
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Re: 1985 Kramer
I've never personally seen one up close bro but....If I had to trust anyones opinion on them w/out seeing one up close it would be Mike Wolvertons opine. This is the guy that owns Vintage Kramer so he knows far more about Kramers than I'll ever think of knowing.
This is an excerpt of the P.M. he sent me about the 85s.
I know he has the 05 Winter NAMM "85" and it sure is a looker and I'm not partial to the nana head models at all, so that should speak VOLUMES. He paid alot of $$$$ for it, but like Erik said, he's got some personal attachment to it. If he says they're on the level and as close as you're going to get, I'm not going to be one to argue.
As far as the price goes....How much does a US made Jackson cost? a 2xxx Ibanez? a production ESP? I don't think the prices aren't that far off. These will be made entirely in the US. And as far as I know....Music Yo will be going retail so you should see these in stores. I don't know that for sure, but I do recall hearing something along those lines.
theodie said:
I've never personally seen one up close bro but....If I had to trust anyones opinion on them w/out seeing one up close it would be Mike Wolvertons opine. This is the guy that owns Vintage Kramer so he knows far more about Kramers than I'll ever think of knowing.
This is an excerpt of the P.M. he sent me about the 85s.
I know he has the 05 Winter NAMM "85" and it sure is a looker and I'm not partial to the nana head models at all, so that should speak VOLUMES. He paid alot of $$$$ for it, but like Erik said, he's got some personal attachment to it. If he says they're on the level and as close as you're going to get, I'm not going to be one to argue.
As far as the price goes....How much does a US made Jackson cost? a 2xxx Ibanez? a production ESP? I don't think the prices aren't that far off. These will be made entirely in the US. And as far as I know....Music Yo will be going retail so you should see these in stores. I don't know that for sure, but I do recall hearing something along those lines.
jumbowolfe
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Re: 1985 Kramer
Hey guys.
Thanks Brent for the nice words and for posting the stuff about the Baretta. It is definitely a sweet guitar. Here's the order in which the thing was actually designed.
They originally had an 85 Baretta with an R5 neck to model for the reissue. After discussing this with them (many of us who attended the Kramer Expos), we talked Kramer into going with the R2 1 5/8" because it was a better neck overall that most enthusiasts preferred. So basically, they had an R5 designed at 1 3/4" and then remodeled another neck (mine) which is the one that ended up being used on the final 85 reissue.
The guitar itself, its really amazing how well they nailed it. Its totally, 100% made in USA. I can't reveal the builder who is making these for Kramer, but I will say he has built some very famous guitars for very famous players. They even got the primer line around the headstock 100% correct. The body is maple, the neck is oil finished, and the pickup is a close sounding cousin to a JB. I think anyone who buys one of these will be super impressed with how well it feels and sounds like a an original Vintage Kramer. The case is even killer too, its made to fit the guitar perfectly!
Our annual Kramer Expo is in August in Nashville, and Musicyo has kindly agreed to sell 10 reissues at the show for $899, which is drastically lower than what they will hit the street at. The only catch, you have to register for our little event for $50, but its a weekend of fun for diehard Kramer guys that you won't want to miss!
Visit my site if you are interested in the Reissue or the Kramer Expo!
Thanks for listening.
Mike
www.vintagekramer.com
Hey guys.
Thanks Brent for the nice words and for posting the stuff about the Baretta. It is definitely a sweet guitar. Here's the order in which the thing was actually designed.
They originally had an 85 Baretta with an R5 neck to model for the reissue. After discussing this with them (many of us who attended the Kramer Expos), we talked Kramer into going with the R2 1 5/8" because it was a better neck overall that most enthusiasts preferred. So basically, they had an R5 designed at 1 3/4" and then remodeled another neck (mine) which is the one that ended up being used on the final 85 reissue.
The guitar itself, its really amazing how well they nailed it. Its totally, 100% made in USA. I can't reveal the builder who is making these for Kramer, but I will say he has built some very famous guitars for very famous players. They even got the primer line around the headstock 100% correct. The body is maple, the neck is oil finished, and the pickup is a close sounding cousin to a JB. I think anyone who buys one of these will be super impressed with how well it feels and sounds like a an original Vintage Kramer. The case is even killer too, its made to fit the guitar perfectly!
Our annual Kramer Expo is in August in Nashville, and Musicyo has kindly agreed to sell 10 reissues at the show for $899, which is drastically lower than what they will hit the street at. The only catch, you have to register for our little event for $50, but its a weekend of fun for diehard Kramer guys that you won't want to miss!
Visit my site if you are interested in the Reissue or the Kramer Expo!
Thanks for listening.
Mike
www.vintagekramer.com
Re: 1985 Kramer
Hey Mike.... Thanks for all the info... I'm pretty excited about this 85 reissue... I see in your photos it has a tiltback neck..... did the guitar Eddie have in the late 1984/85 Kramer ads have tiltback headstock? It's the white baretta Ed is holding and he is wearing the no Bozo's t-shirt -- "Simply The Best Guitar You Can Buy Today" ad
This new 85 reissue is the closest i've seen to that guitar.
hope you don't mind my adding this link
www.vintagekramer.com/Ads/ad5.jpg
The Kramer Ed has here is the one i have always wanted!!!!
WhoFan
Hey Mike.... Thanks for all the info... I'm pretty excited about this 85 reissue... I see in your photos it has a tiltback neck..... did the guitar Eddie have in the late 1984/85 Kramer ads have tiltback headstock? It's the white baretta Ed is holding and he is wearing the no Bozo's t-shirt -- "Simply The Best Guitar You Can Buy Today" ad
This new 85 reissue is the closest i've seen to that guitar.
hope you don't mind my adding this link
www.vintagekramer.com/Ads/ad5.jpg
The Kramer Ed has here is the one i have always wanted!!!!
WhoFan
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jumbowolfe
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Re: 1985 Kramer
Actually, that guitar in the no bozos ad is a one off. The headstock, if you'll notice in that shot, its almost an identical copy to the 5150 headstock. That was a prototype Baretta that I believe one of Ed's old guitar tech's now owns. There were no production Barettas with that exact headstock. The original 84's that are non-angled shown here were the closest to that guitar that Eddie is holding in the no bozos shot, but they do differ quite a bit in headstock shape.
The 85, really, incorporates the best of the Baretta features before the pointy era. I think you'll really dig the neck if you're into EVH vibe type guitars.
Hope that helps.
Mike
Actually, that guitar in the no bozos ad is a one off. The headstock, if you'll notice in that shot, its almost an identical copy to the 5150 headstock. That was a prototype Baretta that I believe one of Ed's old guitar tech's now owns. There were no production Barettas with that exact headstock. The original 84's that are non-angled shown here were the closest to that guitar that Eddie is holding in the no bozos shot, but they do differ quite a bit in headstock shape.
The 85, really, incorporates the best of the Baretta features before the pointy era. I think you'll really dig the neck if you're into EVH vibe type guitars.
Hope that helps.
Mike
jumbowolfe
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Re: 1985 Kramer
Not in the first batch (maple), I was told maybe eventually, but not until the flow of them starts moving through.
Mike
Not in the first batch (maple), I was told maybe eventually, but not until the flow of them starts moving through.
Mike
ErikH
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Re: 1985 Kramer
I know one of those '85's will look sweet next to my NYC Kline.
And yes, it is in the Kramer Registry.
Thanks, Mike. That's cool. I like the bigger body of the '85 over the '84 but want one with a maple board. I'll patiently wait.jumbowolfe said:
I know one of those '85's will look sweet next to my NYC Kline.
And yes, it is in the Kramer Registry.
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Thanks for the info.... thats a shame that the guitar Ed is holding was never a production model.... the body shape and the headstock just seem to flow very well on that one.... the 84 shown here is close... but the minor details of the one in the ad are missing...
From a guitar makers stand point the angle back headstock on the reissue 85 will help put the downward pressure on the Floyd nut..... some of those straight and strat headstocks you really have to tighten the retainer bar down a lot to get the right string angle behind the nut....
jumbowolfe said:Actually, that guitar in the no bozos ad is a one off. The headstock, if you'll notice in that shot, its almost an identical copy to the 5150 headstock. That was a prototype Baretta that I believe one of Ed's old guitar tech's now owns. There were no production Barettas with that exact headstock. The original 84's that are non-angled shown here were the closest to that guitar that Eddie is holding in the no bozos shot, but they do differ quite a bit in headstock shape.
The 85, really, incorporates the best of the Baretta features before the pointy era. I think you'll really dig the neck if you're into EVH vibe type guitars.
Hope that helps.
Mike
Thanks for the info.... thats a shame that the guitar Ed is holding was never a production model.... the body shape and the headstock just seem to flow very well on that one.... the 84 shown here is close... but the minor details of the one in the ad are missing...
From a guitar makers stand point the angle back headstock on the reissue 85 will help put the downward pressure on the Floyd nut..... some of those straight and strat headstocks you really have to tighten the retainer bar down a lot to get the right string angle behind the nut....
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jumbowolfe
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Re: 1985 Kramer
One thing I forgot to add, we are having a Raffle for a FREE "Black" 85 Baretta Reissue to be given away at the Kramer Expo. You need not be registered for the event in order to participate. There is a 3 for 1 deal for those that do register though. More details can be found here, but I forgot to mention that before.
http://www.vintagekramer.com/expo/rafflesale.htm
Thanks,
Mike
www.vintagekramer.com
One thing I forgot to add, we are having a Raffle for a FREE "Black" 85 Baretta Reissue to be given away at the Kramer Expo. You need not be registered for the event in order to participate. There is a 3 for 1 deal for those that do register though. More details can be found here, but I forgot to mention that before.
http://www.vintagekramer.com/expo/rafflesale.htm
Thanks,
Mike
www.vintagekramer.com
Jocelyn said:
Re: 1985 Kramer
Saw this on Harmony Central today...
85 Kramer Barettta
Asking Price: US$545
Condition: Good
Age: 21 years
Description:
85 Kramer Baretta (Black) with bananna headstock, Floyd Rose, rosewood fretboard, SD zebra PU in bridge, highly sought after, and collected. In GREAT/EX condition. Has a few battle scars, but nothing bad, for being a 21 year old guitar. $545.00 which includes Kramer HSC and SHP
Seller: Micah Evans, 1-601-856-7542
E-mail: brannon67 (Profile)
Location: Madison, MS
Post Date: 6/26/2006
Saw this on Harmony Central today...
85 Kramer Barettta
Asking Price: US$545
Condition: Good
Age: 21 years
Description:
85 Kramer Baretta (Black) with bananna headstock, Floyd Rose, rosewood fretboard, SD zebra PU in bridge, highly sought after, and collected. In GREAT/EX condition. Has a few battle scars, but nothing bad, for being a 21 year old guitar. $545.00 which includes Kramer HSC and SHP
Seller: Micah Evans, 1-601-856-7542
E-mail: brannon67 (Profile)
Location: Madison, MS
Post Date: 6/26/2006
Mr 9finger
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Re: 1985 Kramer
Thanks for popping in and sharing w/ us Mike! When I see these in lefty I'm sure I'll probably end up w/ one! Hopefully they have them lefty and w/ maple boards!
Thanks for popping in and sharing w/ us Mike! When I see these in lefty I'm sure I'll probably end up w/ one! Hopefully they have them lefty and w/ maple boards!
T
theodie
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Re: 1985 Kramer
I am confused, what is the nut width???? So, $899 is not what they will be selling for on the street huh? What colors will they come in?
BTW, thanks for showing up Mike!
I am confused, what is the nut width???? So, $899 is not what they will be selling for on the street huh? What colors will they come in?
BTW, thanks for showing up Mike!
jumbowolfe
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Re: 1985 Kramer
They will not street out at $899 (Expo only pricing), they will street out somewhere in the $1000-$1200 range. The reason for the price, again, is because of them being 100% USA. Only a handful of Barettas in the C and D serial eras in the 80's were pure 100% American. Everything after 1986 vintage Baretta wise were produced (bodies and necks) by ESP in Japan.
Nut width on the reissue is 1 5/8", or R2 sized Floyd Nut.
Maple boards - I feel your pain, I want one too.
Especially since these necks are oil finished, they play like butter - we gotta have maple!
Maple bodies - It actually isn't as heavy as you would think. The reason some of those older Barettas weighed so much, it was the polyester finish in addition to the weight of the maple. I've stripped a few bodies that were maple from the vintage years, and its amazing how much lighter they are when the finish is removed. The new reissues are urethane based clears, no polyester like the old days, so there should be some tonal improvements as well since Urethanes are generally "thinner" than polyesters.
Colors - Black, Creme, and Candy Red for now. They had originally talked about Candy Blue, but I think they shelved that for now.
Mike
They will not street out at $899 (Expo only pricing), they will street out somewhere in the $1000-$1200 range. The reason for the price, again, is because of them being 100% USA. Only a handful of Barettas in the C and D serial eras in the 80's were pure 100% American. Everything after 1986 vintage Baretta wise were produced (bodies and necks) by ESP in Japan.
Nut width on the reissue is 1 5/8", or R2 sized Floyd Nut.
Maple boards - I feel your pain, I want one too.
Especially since these necks are oil finished, they play like butter - we gotta have maple!Maple bodies - It actually isn't as heavy as you would think. The reason some of those older Barettas weighed so much, it was the polyester finish in addition to the weight of the maple. I've stripped a few bodies that were maple from the vintage years, and its amazing how much lighter they are when the finish is removed. The new reissues are urethane based clears, no polyester like the old days, so there should be some tonal improvements as well since Urethanes are generally "thinner" than polyesters.
Colors - Black, Creme, and Candy Red for now. They had originally talked about Candy Blue, but I think they shelved that for now.
Mike
ErikH
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Re: 1985 Kramer
Hey, Mike. Pending how successful they are, and I think they'll do fine, the Yo folks should consider a few very limited graphic runs, say maybe by a certain artist that did them back in the day. That would grab some attention.
Thank you for sharing all this info, and giving me GAS.
Hey, Mike. Pending how successful they are, and I think they'll do fine, the Yo folks should consider a few very limited graphic runs, say maybe by a certain artist that did them back in the day.
That would grab some attention.Thank you for sharing all this info, and giving me GAS.
