3-Way Wiring like MSM1 Ibanez?

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[Artie]

Your CW wind is still CW, and your CCW wind is still CCW. But more importantly, can you tell me what humbucker manufacturer winds their coils that way? Nobody does. Look again at this winding chart: https://guitarelectronics.com/guitar...e-color-codes/

Every pickup, by every manufacturer is either finish-to-finish, or start-to-start. There is no Start-to-Finish, which you'd have to have for the pickup to work if the coils were wound in opposite directions. Think about it. If the two coils were wound opposite directions, then the noise and hum picked up out of the air would be opposite polarity. Therefore, you'd wire the two coils plus-to-minus. Like batteries in a flashlight. The noise would cancel. But again, look at that chart. No one does that.

Did you see my pic of the Duncan pup where clearly the two coils are wound the same direction. Then look at that chart. Duncans and Dimarzio's are both connected finish-to-finish. If you still have doubts, buy a cheap used DMZ and disassemble it. Note that both coils are wound the same direction.

There's no rocket science here. Or condescension, or patronizing. Just trying to help.

 

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Your CW wind is still CW, and your CCW wind is still CCW. But more importantly, can you tell me what humbucker manufacturer winds their coils that way? Nobody does. Look again at this winding chart: https://guitarelectronics.com/guitar...e-color-codes/

Every pickup, by every manufacturer is either finish-to-finish, or start-to-start. There is no Start-to-Finish, which you'd have to have for the pickup to work if the coils were wound in opposite directions. Think about it. If the two coils were wound opposite directions, then the noise and hum picked up out of the air would be opposite polarity. Therefore, you'd wire the two coils plus-to-minus. Like batteries in a flashlight. The noise would cancel. But again, look at that chart. No one does that.

Did you see my pic of the Duncan pup where clearly the two coils are wound the same direction. Then look at that chart. Duncans and Dimarzio's are both connected finish-to-finish. If you still have doubts, buy a cheap used DMZ and disassemble it. Note that both coils are wound the same direction.

There's no rocket science here. Or condescension, or patronizing. Just trying to help.

Good grief, just give it up.

 

[Artie]

No prob man. I'm ultimately trying to help you out with a cool, (and proven) wiring diagram. I'm really not sure where this all went South. :beerchug:

 

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No prob man. I'm ultimately trying to help you out with a cool, (and proven) wiring diagram. I'm really not sure where this all went South. :beerchug:

I found a trove of wiring diagrams two pages back. Your insistence that I don't understand something is where it went wrong.

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

Just FYI: your rotation example is based on **IF** one coil of 2 that are side by side is wound differently than the other. That's a moot point because the photo of a disassembled, real life humbucker that Artie posted earlier showed that two side by side coils are wound in the same direction, i.e. one of them is NOT wound in the opposite direction of the other.

 

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Just FYI: your rotation example is based on **IF** one coil of 2 that are side by side is wound differently than the other. That's a moot point because the photo of a disassembled, real life humbucker that Artie posted earlier showed that two side by side coils are wound in the same direction, i.e. one of them is NOT wound in the opposite direction of the other.

If the coils in a humbucker are wound in the same direction, then it wouldn't be a "humbucker".

 

[Artie]

A humbucker can be built either of two ways. If you wind the coils opposite directions, then the noise they pick up out of the air will be naturally cancelling. So, you connect them plus-to-minus, or start-to-finish. Again, like batteries in a flashlight. No problem. Or, you can wind them the same direction. Now the noise will reinforce itself, so you have to connect one coil reverse-polarity. Ie., finish-to-finish, or start-to-start. That technique works equally as well and the manufacturer doesn't have to worry about which coils are which, or using the Leesona that runs backwards.

Note, once again, in that chart that almost all pups are connected finish-to-finish. One or two, were start-to-start. None were start-to-finish.

P.S. I emailed Dimarzio and just flat out asked them which way they wind their pups.We'll see if they respond.

 

[Artie]

And . . . direct from DiMarzio Tech:

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

If the coils in a humbucker are wound in the same direction, then it wouldn't be a "humbucker".

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/for...dings-don-t-make-sense-inf-ibanez#post6007296

Obviously NOT.



By your own admission/observation it cannot be wired correctly because if it were it CANNOT give those readings. You're asking questions, but you are not listening to the answers! And you are not accepting the advice/instructions which could get you the answers! You specifically ask me for my advice and help and slap me in the face by ignoring it.




You say you want to learn, but you are totally unwilling to accept help and advice that could facilitate that. You are dogmatically holding to the idea that you have wired it correctly even while admitting that you haven't, and that something is not right.



"A parallel pickup that is designed to sound series"?! Really?!

All of this tells me that you have absolutely no clue as to what goes on in a pup or how to wire it. Why are you being so resistant to learning or accepting the answers?!


I understand guitar electronics and how pups are wired and can absolutely give you the answers that you "seek". But the only thing I don't understand is why you started this thread in the first place.