5-way Import Switch HH Wiring / Switching Options

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Sweet. Thanks Kingswebe. And yes, I'm Prime. :)

Edit: I hate getting old. I ordered one of these from Amazon a few weeks ago, and forgot about it. :blackeye:

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Hey Artie, with your wiring expertise, would you be interested in reviewing a sketch of my idea of how to incorporate two independent volume controls into the earlier wiring diagram in this thread? If not, no problem.
 
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Sure. I do this stuff like others work crossword puzzles. Just be advised, I've got contractors working on my house as we speak. I may be slow. :)
 
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Sure. I do this stuff like others work crossword puzzles. Just be advised, I've got contractors working on my house as we speak. I may be slow. :)

Ok, thanks.

Can i send it to you via PM? i'd prefer not to post it here in case the diagram does have an error, since it will trip people up in the future who find it in this post and use it without reading all of this thread.
 
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Artie,

I don't use PM much. So i got there and got reminded that it doesn't permit attachments, just URL links. I haven't figured out how to use Google Drive as a link resource.

So now i am going ahead and attaching the sketch of my idea here for how to incorporate 2 independent volume controls. Let me know if it will work without issue. Thanks for taking the time to review it.

Still sent you to PM to discuss something else.

Thanks

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No prob man. Studying it now.



You're welcome. One of us will get it figured out. ;)

Artie,

You may want to use this instead. I decided to take it to the next level and work it out in the DIY-Fever software. So this should be a little clearer to interpret. This was my first time using that software - it's pretty intuitive - but still a little more tedious than i would like though.

[EDIT: Just spotted a mistake. The twisted pair of wires going from the Bridge pickup to the 5th lug on the right side of the swtch should be colored Red and Teal, not Grey and Teal. Too late tonight to go back and revise it now]

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Hi Kingswebe - while you are pondering the 2V circuit above I saw this on the Seymour Duncan circuits pages. Do you know what it does in this 2T configuration - I see the "with coil split" wording and wondered what it actually meant.
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Hi Kingswebe - while you are pondering the 2V circuit above I saw this on the Seymour Duncan circuits pages. Do you know what it does in this 2T configuration - I see the "with coil split" wording and wondered what it actually meant.
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Haha, that is the diagram that i included a screenshot of in my 2nd reply to you in this thread. In that screenshot is my notes about what each of the positions does.

My drawing that we are waiting to hear back from Artie about, is a modificatiin of that design to accomodate two independent volumes.

And actually i have an update for you about that. One of my two other wiring guru friends that i mentioned yesterday, did get back to me this morning saying that my modification with two volume controls will work without any issues.

In about an hour from now on my lunch break i was already planning to do a reply that sums up your options at this point. Will still do that shortly. Hang in there.

[Edit]: There is a reaaon -actually, two - why i did not just simply recommend the diagram you just asked about when you asked for a 2 tone ctl diagram. Will explain shortly.
 
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Sorry Kingswebe - I'm going circuit-blind - can't tell one from another!
No worries I'm very interested in your feedback in your own time. It's OK for me - retired last year so I'm on a permanent lunch break!
 
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Artie,

You may want to use this instead.

Cool. Checking it out. I may be a little slow, just because we're doing some home remodeling. The guys are coming in & out all day.
 
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Cool. Checking it out. I may be a little slow, just because we're doing some home remodeling. The guys are coming in & out all day.

This is proving to be a good example of why to have multiple eyes/minds review something. I say that because although Wiring Guru Friend #1 said earlier today that my last Two Independent Volume sketch would work ok, Wiring Guru Friend #2 just responded that the diagram will not work. And i agree with his reasoning. He cites that the two Series-Link pairs being connected at the same lug (switch right side, Lug 5) creates a voltage divider scenario, i.e. the two signals of each pickup will comingle at that point instead of staying separate / in parallel. Artie do you agree?

I am going back to the drawing board, but doubtfuli will find a way to make two independent volumes work for the coil-splitting scheme we were trying to achieve.
 
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Ok . . . so you already caught the part about tying the two red/whites together. I'm studying it off and on while dealing with the contractors. ;)
 
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Sorry Kingswebe - I'm going circuit-blind - can't tell one from another!
No worries I'm very interested in your feedback in your own time. It's OK for me - retired last year so I'm on a permanent lunch break!

Big Feet,

I am going to post a diagram for you shortly that has the Two Tone Controls option.

Then a little later after that, i will post a diagram that does accomodate Two Volume Controls, but its a bit impractical for real use. I will explain in that post at that time.
 
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Big Feet,

Ok, as promised earlier this evening, following are two error-free diagrams that incorporate Two Tone Controls.

Each of these diagrams is different than the Seymour Duncan diagram with Two Tone Controls that you asked about earlier, in that i achieve different coils being active in coilsplit mode than the Seymour Duncan diagram. For the neck pickup, i have the Outer/Screw Coil active. This coil is generally preferable over the Inner Neck coil because the Outer Neck coil is located closer to the node where the 24th fret would be - that section of the strings has richer harmonic content. Secondly, I have the Bridge Inner coil as active instead of the Bridge Outer coil. I did this because the Bridge Outer coil has a more shrill sound because of how close it is to the bridge of the guitar. BTW, to achieve hum-canceling when the two splitcoils are combined, the two coils need to be opposite magnetic polarity. This explains why i did not choose/consider both Inner coils being active nor both Outer coils being active in splitcoil mode.

Now speaking of the differences between my two diagrams, one has the Bridge full humbucker in Position 1, while the other has Neck full humbucker in Position 1. Why would you even want to entertain having Neck full humbucker in Posiition 1? because that is the only way to get Neck splitcoil alone in Position 5. So inversely, the cost of having Bridge full humbucker in Position 1 is that you get Bridge splitcoil alone in Position 5. I said in earlier reply, of the stand-alone splitcoils on the two pickups, Neck splitcoil is the generally the more popular choice. So you can decide which of the two configurations is more desirable to you.

And of course, you could use the Seymour Duncan diagram if you preferred it for some reason.

Lastly, these diagrams do not visually depict the following technical details that are commonly left off drawings because they are considered common knowledge:
1. all the pots and the jack need to be grounded to a single common ground spot. you have the discretion to choose to make that the back of one of the pots, or the Sleeve of the output jack. But the back of one of the pots is the more popular choice.
2. the bridge ground wire is not depicted but it is there in your guitar's control cavity someplace, and it needs to get connected to the common ground spot mentioned in Point 1 above.

It is getting late, i might not complete and post the Two Volume Controls diagram until tomorrow, I will see what i can get done with the time remaining.

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Good news. I was able to come up with two, practical diagram ideas for the Two Volume Controls, quicker than i thought. Let's see if i can get them drawn up in the software tonight b4 i get too tired.
 
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Kingswebe you are a true Gent. Thanks for the diagrams and explanations which I really appreciate. I'll give the tone switching options some thought while my varnish is drying!
Thanks again!
 
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Kings we've I'm liking the second diagram here with the neck HB in position 1. Since I'm the only player of my guitars I'm the only one who has to remember which position does what! If you manage to draw the 2V diagrams I'd love to see them too.
Nice one!
 
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Kings we've I'm liking the second diagram here with the neck HB in position 1. Since I'm the only player of my guitars I'm the only one who has to remember which position does what! If you manage to draw the 2V diagrams I'd love to see them too.
Nice one!

In that case, I think you will be quite ok with the 2 Volume Ctl design I came up with. Here again, Neck HB is in Position 1 instead of Bridge HB at Position 1, so that we can have Neck Single Alone at Position 5. The other slight compromise is that when the Neck pickup is in Splitcoil mode, its volume control will have no effect. that just means it will be at 100% of its volume output. Which shouldn't be a problem because humbucker pickups drop in volume when they are split to just 1 coil. This still gives you Neck volume ctl in the other positions (and Bridge pickup volume ctl in ALL positions that Bridge pickup is active. so you can still reap the advantage of two volume ctls in Positions 2 and 4 - although in Position 4 it is only the Bridge pickup that you can adjust out of the two pickups. I went through literally hours of iterations, and i really like this diagram because you get all the valuable combinations as well as valuable individual pickup options, without really actually *needing* to touch either of the volume knobs.

Let me know what you think.

[Edit: forgot to specify in the diagram itself - the active coils in splitcoil mode are the same as in my prior versions - Neck screw/South coil and Bridge slug/North coil.]

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