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Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
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50 watts or 100 watts?
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Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
Kids Lewguitar gives good advice. I've played bunches of clubs and a number of larger venues (including outdoor sheds) and if you're using a Marshall 50 watts is plenty. In fact it is too much in most clubs. If for some reason you play in tight quarters with a loud drummer then work on your speaker cab placement. I find that in most situations a 2x12 sitting on a roadcase is far better than a 4x12 on the floor.
A few weeks ago I played a gig in a large ballroom with a drummer that literally pounds the crap out of his DW kit. My rig for the gig? A 15 watt Matchless Lightning clone that I built and a 2x12 THD cab. It was a ska gig (Not what I usually play) in front of a couple thousand people. I played the amp right on the edge of clean and slightly overdriven and it was perfect. Yes, it was miked but I could hear it just fine and the audience could hear it without getting their heads torn off by a high wattage amp. Even in a smaller venue without being miked the amp would have been fine.
Having owned a several Marshalls and played through a bunch of rented Marshalls I can tell you that 100 watts is overkill in almost every instance. The guys who insist on 100 watts are sort of the guitar amp equivalent of the dudes that drive around in full size trucks that have six inch lifts and huge tires. You just know those guys are compensating for something. Most of them would actually be better off with a stock Toyota Tacoma but you can't tell them that. Instead they drive like idiots and annoy the hell out of everyone that has to share the road with them.
The biggest problem with 100 watt amps (and even 50 watters in a lot of venues) is that you can't get the amp to its sweet spot without cranking it up to the point where it's too loud for the room. To the guys that proclaim the need to have a ton of clean headroom I say you're probably using the wrong amp. Marshalls aren't known for their cleans. Get something that sounds great clean (Fender, Matchless, Bad Cat, Dr. Z, or even a used Ampeg Reverberocket) and use it as the basis for your sound. I've found that if I'm using pedals for my overdrive and distortion then a Matchless DC30 set up clean will sound far better than a Marshall set up clean and will also sound better with your pedals. The DC30 is a LOUD amp and will keep up with any drummer. Even better it has a half power switch in case 30 watts is too much.
Kids Lewguitar gives good advice. I've played bunches of clubs and a number of larger venues (including outdoor sheds) and if you're using a Marshall 50 watts is plenty. In fact it is too much in most clubs. If for some reason you play in tight quarters with a loud drummer then work on your speaker cab placement. I find that in most situations a 2x12 sitting on a roadcase is far better than a 4x12 on the floor.
A few weeks ago I played a gig in a large ballroom with a drummer that literally pounds the crap out of his DW kit. My rig for the gig? A 15 watt Matchless Lightning clone that I built and a 2x12 THD cab. It was a ska gig (Not what I usually play) in front of a couple thousand people. I played the amp right on the edge of clean and slightly overdriven and it was perfect. Yes, it was miked but I could hear it just fine and the audience could hear it without getting their heads torn off by a high wattage amp. Even in a smaller venue without being miked the amp would have been fine.
Having owned a several Marshalls and played through a bunch of rented Marshalls I can tell you that 100 watts is overkill in almost every instance. The guys who insist on 100 watts are sort of the guitar amp equivalent of the dudes that drive around in full size trucks that have six inch lifts and huge tires. You just know those guys are compensating for something. Most of them would actually be better off with a stock Toyota Tacoma but you can't tell them that. Instead they drive like idiots and annoy the hell out of everyone that has to share the road with them.
The biggest problem with 100 watt amps (and even 50 watters in a lot of venues) is that you can't get the amp to its sweet spot without cranking it up to the point where it's too loud for the room. To the guys that proclaim the need to have a ton of clean headroom I say you're probably using the wrong amp. Marshalls aren't known for their cleans. Get something that sounds great clean (Fender, Matchless, Bad Cat, Dr. Z, or even a used Ampeg Reverberocket) and use it as the basis for your sound. I've found that if I'm using pedals for my overdrive and distortion then a Matchless DC30 set up clean will sound far better than a Marshall set up clean and will also sound better with your pedals. The DC30 is a LOUD amp and will keep up with any drummer. Even better it has a half power switch in case 30 watts is too much.
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
Your bass player needs to balance his rig to yours. It's much easier for him to turn down as his sound will pretty much be the same.
Your bass player needs to balance his rig to yours. It's much easier for him to turn down as his sound will pretty much be the same.
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
To be clear, Im not saying that there is never a need for 50 or 100 watt amps but if I had a nickle for everytime I saw or heard of of a guy buying a 50 or 100 watt amp and having to then figure out a way to tame the volume I could quit my job today.
I still own a 50 and a 100+ watt amp but I have to tell ya, I rarely if ever take them out of the house or even turn them on for that matter!!
The last 2 regular gigs i've had involved what I would call medium size clubs and I gigged with either a 20 watt 2x10 combo or a 20 watt 1x12 combo in both of those settings and STILL on a regular basis I was being told to turn down!
Now, I don't expect that every kind of guitar player in the world can get by on a 20 watt 1x12 combo however if you can then you might want to look into it.
Also, another thing to keep in mind is that a 4x12 adds volume over a 2x12 and the 2x12 adds volume over a 1x12! Now, I know it does look as cool but a 1x12 will often help tame volumes by itself...getting a 2x12 or a 4x12 is the "standard' but it's not always the best answer.
Also, to all you guys that are talking about how you need 50+ watts to be heard over your drummer...your drummer needs to learn a thing or 2, there is NO NEED to pound the skins like tonight is your last night on earth you an still sound big and heavy by playing fairly soft, trust me on that one!
Now, all this said 85% of guys reading this thread will roll their eyes and thats fine...I use to get all this same info from guys and never once bothered to pay attention either but I noticded that as I started going down in wattages in my equipment that life got easier...sure I still get told to turn down but it's far less often than before!
To be clear, Im not saying that there is never a need for 50 or 100 watt amps but if I had a nickle for everytime I saw or heard of of a guy buying a 50 or 100 watt amp and having to then figure out a way to tame the volume I could quit my job today.
I still own a 50 and a 100+ watt amp but I have to tell ya, I rarely if ever take them out of the house or even turn them on for that matter!!
The last 2 regular gigs i've had involved what I would call medium size clubs and I gigged with either a 20 watt 2x10 combo or a 20 watt 1x12 combo in both of those settings and STILL on a regular basis I was being told to turn down!
Now, I don't expect that every kind of guitar player in the world can get by on a 20 watt 1x12 combo however if you can then you might want to look into it.
Also, another thing to keep in mind is that a 4x12 adds volume over a 2x12 and the 2x12 adds volume over a 1x12! Now, I know it does look as cool but a 1x12 will often help tame volumes by itself...getting a 2x12 or a 4x12 is the "standard' but it's not always the best answer.
Also, to all you guys that are talking about how you need 50+ watts to be heard over your drummer...your drummer needs to learn a thing or 2, there is NO NEED to pound the skins like tonight is your last night on earth you an still sound big and heavy by playing fairly soft, trust me on that one!
Now, all this said 85% of guys reading this thread will roll their eyes and thats fine...I use to get all this same info from guys and never once bothered to pay attention either but I noticded that as I started going down in wattages in my equipment that life got easier...sure I still get told to turn down but it's far less often than before!
Hot _Grits
Buttery Toneologist
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
It's usually good advice to tell someone that they don't need huge wattage for gigging, but it depends on the situation. The only situations I've seen where low wattage always works are real high-end pro bands.
Smalltime giggers can sometimes need high wattage. In cases where pa and foldback setups are inadequate or non-existent a high wattage amp can be very useful. How much wattage you need will depend on how loud your bandmates are and what kinds of volumes are common in the scene you play in.
Head to the rehearsal room to judge how loud your bandmates are, and then head to the venues you'll play to check out the volumes other bands play at and the rigs and monitor setups they use. Once you've done that you'll have a good idea about whether you need that extra push of a 100w amp.
As for master volume amps, the trend I see is that guys tend to open them up fairly loud to get some warmth to the tone, but usually they are nowhere near cranked. many young players seem to prefer that sound to genuine old school cranked amp tone.
It's usually good advice to tell someone that they don't need huge wattage for gigging, but it depends on the situation. The only situations I've seen where low wattage always works are real high-end pro bands.
Smalltime giggers can sometimes need high wattage. In cases where pa and foldback setups are inadequate or non-existent a high wattage amp can be very useful. How much wattage you need will depend on how loud your bandmates are and what kinds of volumes are common in the scene you play in.
Head to the rehearsal room to judge how loud your bandmates are, and then head to the venues you'll play to check out the volumes other bands play at and the rigs and monitor setups they use. Once you've done that you'll have a good idea about whether you need that extra push of a 100w amp.
As for master volume amps, the trend I see is that guys tend to open them up fairly loud to get some warmth to the tone, but usually they are nowhere near cranked. many young players seem to prefer that sound to genuine old school cranked amp tone.
joelap
Red&Goldologist
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
...what kind of PA? Some places I play in CT, the PA has about 4 mic inputs. When you got three guys doing the vox in your band... you cant mic all three voices, two guitars, and DI a bass into a Peavey 4-channel powered mixer with two 12" PA speakers. And furthermore, you are giving up your sound and level adjustment to an external soundguy... if there even is one there. Most of those criptards couldn't mix shake-n-bake, nevermind a live band.
I dont know, maybe some of you guys live in areas or get to play at venues with good PA's and good sound guys. I for one would never want to trust bringing a 15watter to a live show playing hard rock only to find out the PA there consists of two paper cups, a string, and a megaphone. I got by with a 30 watt 2x12 AC30 for a while, but I wouldnt go much smaller than that at this stage in the game.
...what kind of PA? Some places I play in CT, the PA has about 4 mic inputs. When you got three guys doing the vox in your band... you cant mic all three voices, two guitars, and DI a bass into a Peavey 4-channel powered mixer with two 12" PA speakers. And furthermore, you are giving up your sound and level adjustment to an external soundguy... if there even is one there. Most of those criptards couldn't mix shake-n-bake, nevermind a live band.
I dont know, maybe some of you guys live in areas or get to play at venues with good PA's and good sound guys. I for one would never want to trust bringing a 15watter to a live show playing hard rock only to find out the PA there consists of two paper cups, a string, and a megaphone. I got by with a 30 watt 2x12 AC30 for a while, but I wouldnt go much smaller than that at this stage in the game.
xxxplorer
Well-known member
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
This is all my own experience so...
I had a 5150II rated at 120 watts. Sounded pretty nice at lower volumes... and if I used my hot plate it sounded even better (if you go below 12dbs it starts sounding pooish though) I thought that amp was way too loud at anything above 3 for what we were doing.... granted had lots o' head room.
SOOO... I went and got me a JCM800 2204.... and it is 'only' 50 watts but this thing is LOUDER than the 5150II was!!! I NEVER go past 3 maybe 4 if I am really wanting to shake the walls. I play with a LOUD bass player and a lead footed drummer. They always ask me to turn down. Still get plenty of nice cleans when rolling back my volume.
I have even made a valve Jr. work at practice. I had to boost it with an eq, an OD and a duncan booster but I still could be heard and that was with the same guys at 5 watts!
This is all my own experience so...
I had a 5150II rated at 120 watts. Sounded pretty nice at lower volumes... and if I used my hot plate it sounded even better (if you go below 12dbs it starts sounding pooish though) I thought that amp was way too loud at anything above 3 for what we were doing.... granted had lots o' head room.
SOOO... I went and got me a JCM800 2204.... and it is 'only' 50 watts but this thing is LOUDER than the 5150II was!!! I NEVER go past 3 maybe 4 if I am really wanting to shake the walls. I play with a LOUD bass player and a lead footed drummer. They always ask me to turn down. Still get plenty of nice cleans when rolling back my volume.
I have even made a valve Jr. work at practice. I had to boost it with an eq, an OD and a duncan booster but I still could be heard and that was with the same guys at 5 watts!
Lake Placid Blues
New member
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
^^A MV amp still needs to be turned up past 1 is what he was saying to sound good. I used a 50 watt Jubilee to gig with for years, but I had the option to run it at 25 watts. This way I could turn the master past 3 or 4.
At recent gig I found myself in a big hall. Since the guy I was playing with doesn't like loud amps, I left the the heads and cabs home and just brought along a 1x12 combo version of a Jubilee. I also had along a 1x12 extension cab that I didn't plan on using, but just for an amp stand. The gig was with a drummer and no PA except for vocals. Usually in the typical small size, low ceiling, bar or club, I would not need more than 25 watts, but I ended up on 50 watts, using the extension cab, and with it turned up to about 7 in this big hall. At the end the of night the singer was shocked that I had my amp ran up that high without it sounding too loud, but it was the room. 50 watts and 2-12" 100db sensitivity speakers had been enough, nonetheless.
Go with the 50 watt version, as it will serve you better in a wider variety of situations.
^^A MV amp still needs to be turned up past 1 is what he was saying to sound good. I used a 50 watt Jubilee to gig with for years, but I had the option to run it at 25 watts. This way I could turn the master past 3 or 4.
At recent gig I found myself in a big hall. Since the guy I was playing with doesn't like loud amps, I left the the heads and cabs home and just brought along a 1x12 combo version of a Jubilee. I also had along a 1x12 extension cab that I didn't plan on using, but just for an amp stand. The gig was with a drummer and no PA except for vocals. Usually in the typical small size, low ceiling, bar or club, I would not need more than 25 watts, but I ended up on 50 watts, using the extension cab, and with it turned up to about 7 in this big hall. At the end the of night the singer was shocked that I had my amp ran up that high without it sounding too loud, but it was the room. 50 watts and 2-12" 100db sensitivity speakers had been enough, nonetheless.
Go with the 50 watt version, as it will serve you better in a wider variety of situations.
Skullkrusher
The T-Files-ologist
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
I see a lot of you guys referring to the cleans. The stuff I'm playing at the moment requires NO clean tones. I don't want a Marshall for cleans....I want that signature growling distortion.
I'm playing the darkest, heaviest metal you can think of.
50 watts still the way to go then?
Why doesn't Marshall offer anything other than 50 and 100 watts?
I see a lot of you guys referring to the cleans. The stuff I'm playing at the moment requires NO clean tones. I don't want a Marshall for cleans....I want that signature growling distortion.
I'm playing the darkest, heaviest metal you can think of.
50 watts still the way to go then?
Why doesn't Marshall offer anything other than 50 and 100 watts?
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Lewguitar
Guest
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
That's exactly how I see things. I have a beauty of a Matchless Chieftan. It's like the best blackface Fender amp with reverb combined with a 50 watt Marshall. I love it - but I can't gig with it. I can't turn it up loud enough to get that "sweet spot" where the output tubes start to go to work.
So I gig with my Deluxe Reverbs, each with a Celestion G12H30 speaker. That's a must. A great and efficient speaker like the G12H30 makes them sound like they're each a 30 or 35 watt amp.
If I need more volume (which, to be honest, I never really have) I bring two matching DR's to the gig and drive them in stereo. Sounds enormous!
These days, with the fabulous overdrive pedals that are available, we just don't need to get super loud to get those huge rock tones we all love.
Lew
That's exactly how I see things. I have a beauty of a Matchless Chieftan. It's like the best blackface Fender amp with reverb combined with a 50 watt Marshall. I love it - but I can't gig with it. I can't turn it up loud enough to get that "sweet spot" where the output tubes start to go to work.
So I gig with my Deluxe Reverbs, each with a Celestion G12H30 speaker. That's a must. A great and efficient speaker like the G12H30 makes them sound like they're each a 30 or 35 watt amp.
If I need more volume (which, to be honest, I never really have) I bring two matching DR's to the gig and drive them in stereo. Sounds enormous!
These days, with the fabulous overdrive pedals that are available, we just don't need to get super loud to get those huge rock tones we all love.
Lew
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Lewguitar
Guest
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
Some things, you just have to learn from experience. Maybe rent a 50 watter and a 100 watter and find out what you really need. My experience with 100 watt amps is that I have to play them with the volume turned so low that they cannot achieve that huge sound we all love. It's not 1970 anymore - there are other ways to get a huge grinding tone besides sheer volume. There's some great pedals.
My opinion is that 50 watts should be plenty unless you're opening for Van Halen or Ozzy!
The thing with trying to gig with an amp that's to powerful for the gigs you're actually playing (actually playing - not fantasizing about playing!) is that you feel self conscious, frustrated and can't play your best because you can't get your tone because you can't turn the amp up loud enough so that it's working hard.
I see a lot of you guys referring to the cleans. The stuff I'm playing at the moment requires NO clean tones. I don't want a Marshall for cleans....I want that signature growling distortion.
I'm playing the darkest, heaviest metal you can think of.
50 watts still the way to go then?
Why doesn't Marshall offer anything other than 50 and 100 watts?
Some things, you just have to learn from experience. Maybe rent a 50 watter and a 100 watter and find out what you really need. My experience with 100 watt amps is that I have to play them with the volume turned so low that they cannot achieve that huge sound we all love. It's not 1970 anymore - there are other ways to get a huge grinding tone besides sheer volume. There's some great pedals.
My opinion is that 50 watts should be plenty unless you're opening for Van Halen or Ozzy!
The thing with trying to gig with an amp that's to powerful for the gigs you're actually playing (actually playing - not fantasizing about playing!) is that you feel self conscious, frustrated and can't play your best because you can't get your tone because you can't turn the amp up loud enough so that it's working hard.
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guitfiddle
firstlessonologist
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
You're right in that there are some nice ways to get grind these days instead of a loud amp. That's one of the mis-conceptions that I'd like to see go away...that any tube amp MUST be on 7 or more to get a good tone.
For one, that's a very subjective opinion, and secondly, if there's other ways to get the good grind, then it's moot anyway.
If a 50 watt amp gives a fabulous clean, warm tone down low, how's that a bad thing, unless your only sound is a "cranked amp working hard"? I personaly have a whole pallette of tones, not just amp-cranked-into-power-tube-distortion mode.
My 15 watt Ampeg will get a beautiful clean tone down low, but in a big room without adequate PA, it goes bye-bye FAST...and sometimes turning the volume down on the guitar is not the correct answer, cause the tone changes when doing that.
My 50 watt Bassman will get a better tone, and stay cleaner MUCH longer than the Peggy. I have pedals that kick ass for the OD tones I like, so why do I "need" to turn the amp up to 7 so it is the source of grind?
Annother big mis-conception is that if an amp is tiny and you put it throgh a 5000 watt PA and the sound guy cranks that PA, that it's somehow quiet cause of the size of the amp.
BS
Loud is loud, whether it comes from an amp, or a PA, and I'd rather keep my dynamic control in my own hands instead of letting some meathead turn me up and down in a PA.
You're right in that there are some nice ways to get grind these days instead of a loud amp. That's one of the mis-conceptions that I'd like to see go away...that any tube amp MUST be on 7 or more to get a good tone.
For one, that's a very subjective opinion, and secondly, if there's other ways to get the good grind, then it's moot anyway.
If a 50 watt amp gives a fabulous clean, warm tone down low, how's that a bad thing, unless your only sound is a "cranked amp working hard"? I personaly have a whole pallette of tones, not just amp-cranked-into-power-tube-distortion mode.
My 15 watt Ampeg will get a beautiful clean tone down low, but in a big room without adequate PA, it goes bye-bye FAST...and sometimes turning the volume down on the guitar is not the correct answer, cause the tone changes when doing that.
My 50 watt Bassman will get a better tone, and stay cleaner MUCH longer than the Peggy. I have pedals that kick ass for the OD tones I like, so why do I "need" to turn the amp up to 7 so it is the source of grind?
Annother big mis-conception is that if an amp is tiny and you put it throgh a 5000 watt PA and the sound guy cranks that PA, that it's somehow quiet cause of the size of the amp.
BS
Loud is loud, whether it comes from an amp, or a PA, and I'd rather keep my dynamic control in my own hands instead of letting some meathead turn me up and down in a PA.
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Lake Placid Blues
New member
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
They do offer the reissue JTM45 at about 30 watts, but it's not a metal amp.
They used to make a 20 watt DSL combo but it didn't sell so it was discontinued.
Back in the 60's they had non master volume 18 watt combos and 20 watt heads.
A 50 watt with master volume is workable in most situations though. You can use the master to adjust the volume to the situation. A 100 watt can also use a master of course, but often you can't turn up the master past about two. If you find your self gigging a 50 watt and you can't turn up the master enough to get the good tones, then you can slap on a Hotplate and knock it down just enough to turn up the master a bit more.
I see a lot of you guys referring to the cleans. The stuff I'm playing at the moment requires NO clean tones. I don't want a Marshall for cleans....I want that signature growling distortion.
I'm playing the darkest, heaviest metal you can think of.
50 watts still the way to go then?
Why doesn't Marshall offer anything other than 50 and 100 watts?
They do offer the reissue JTM45 at about 30 watts, but it's not a metal amp.
They used to make a 20 watt DSL combo but it didn't sell so it was discontinued.
Back in the 60's they had non master volume 18 watt combos and 20 watt heads.
A 50 watt with master volume is workable in most situations though. You can use the master to adjust the volume to the situation. A 100 watt can also use a master of course, but often you can't turn up the master past about two. If you find your self gigging a 50 watt and you can't turn up the master enough to get the good tones, then you can slap on a Hotplate and knock it down just enough to turn up the master a bit more.
Bludave
New member
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
The concern you should have is headroom. The difference between 50 & 100 Watts is a very small increase in volume. If you want to double your volume (decibels) you will need to increase the wattage by 10X. So the primary difference between a 50 & 100 is the amount of headroom. 50W, in most of the clubs I have played in is too loud. 50 Should be fine for all aspects of gigging. Smaller venues I usually like to use my Deluxe Reverb, which is 22 watts. Plenty loud , but not as much headroom!
The concern you should have is headroom. The difference between 50 & 100 Watts is a very small increase in volume. If you want to double your volume (decibels) you will need to increase the wattage by 10X. So the primary difference between a 50 & 100 is the amount of headroom. 50W, in most of the clubs I have played in is too loud. 50 Should be fine for all aspects of gigging. Smaller venues I usually like to use my Deluxe Reverb, which is 22 watts. Plenty loud , but not as much headroom!
some_dude
Raging BB Gunologist
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
30w is way too loud. The problem with a 30w amp is that you can't get it into it's sweet spot without cranking it up to the point where it's too loud. Besides, 30w is more headroom than anyone needs, with a PA you can easily use a 5w amp and mic it for more volume.
30w is way too loud. The problem with a 30w amp is that you can't get it into it's sweet spot without cranking it up to the point where it's too loud. Besides, 30w is more headroom than anyone needs, with a PA you can easily use a 5w amp and mic it for more volume.
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some_dude
Raging BB Gunologist
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
50w. Most Marshalls don't sound all that hot until they're pretty loud. 50w is what you should be aiming for unless you have a specific reason for wanting the extra headroom.
50w. Most Marshalls don't sound all that hot until they're pretty loud. 50w is what you should be aiming for unless you have a specific reason for wanting the extra headroom.
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Lewguitar
Guest
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
Personally, I think a guy should go for the smallest amp that will give him what he needs for 90% of the gigs he's actually playing. And when you start doing stadiums or the like, then rent or buy something and move on up to the big rigs.
There's so much fantasy and dreaming about standing in front of a back drop of raging Marshall stacks with a sea of sweaty fans adoring you at the foot of the stage - and that's cool! But until that day comes, it's no fun to play every gig with an amp that's way to big and sounds tiny or fizzy or to clean because you can't turn it up passed 2 or 3.
Marshalls most of us have used and loved have EL-34 output tubes. A good output transformer and a pair of EL-34's puts out 40 (or 50) watts. A quartet of EL-34's puts out about 80 (or 100) watts. EL-34's are the Marshall tone, IMO. And you can't use just three to get 60 watts - doesn't work that way.
Personally, I think a guy should go for the smallest amp that will give him what he needs for 90% of the gigs he's actually playing. And when you start doing stadiums or the like, then rent or buy something and move on up to the big rigs.
There's so much fantasy and dreaming about standing in front of a back drop of raging Marshall stacks with a sea of sweaty fans adoring you at the foot of the stage - and that's cool! But until that day comes, it's no fun to play every gig with an amp that's way to big and sounds tiny or fizzy or to clean because you can't turn it up passed 2 or 3.
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lex666
New member
Re: 50 watts or 100 watts?
My 60 watt TSL is VERY loud. Its more than I need. Luckily, I'm able to crank it and get it cooking to enjoy those 60 watts. If I had 100 watts, it'd probably be way to loud to ever take full advantage of the way it should sound. I imagine 50 watts will do you just fine unless you're playing big open arenas or fesitvals.
Alot of people hate on the TSL, but I really like mine. A speaker swap to V30's really helped to improve the tone. Haven't tried the JVM although it looks like a terrfic amp. Alot more people seem to agree they sound better than the TSL's.
My 60 watt TSL is VERY loud. Its more than I need. Luckily, I'm able to crank it and get it cooking to enjoy those 60 watts. If I had 100 watts, it'd probably be way to loud to ever take full advantage of the way it should sound. I imagine 50 watts will do you just fine unless you're playing big open arenas or fesitvals.
Alot of people hate on the TSL, but I really like mine. A speaker swap to V30's really helped to improve the tone. Haven't tried the JVM although it looks like a terrfic amp. Alot more people seem to agree they sound better than the TSL's.
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