5150 III 50 vs 100 watter
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Re: 5150 III 50 vs 100 watter
Risky assumption, if it's anything like the 6505+ 112 (price diff suggests they too cut corners), it might just be a total turd and a huge favour inadvertently done to Uli Behringer
Risky assumption, if it's anything like the 6505+ 112 (price diff suggests they too cut corners), it might just be a total turd and a huge favour inadvertently done to Uli Behringer
UberMetalDood
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Re: 5150 III 50 vs 100 watter
I have played both and my first impression was that the 100w sounded better at music store volume which is a little louder than you would play at home I suppose. I went back and did a side-by-side and still think the 100w sounds better. I like the vibe from the 100w version, but I don't get that vibe from the 50w. It's like there's something missing. Don't get me wrong, it sounds great and if I wasn't fortunate enough to afford the amps I have, it would definitely be a contender. However, if I had to choose between the 50w & 100w, I would choose the 100w even for low volume playing.
I have played both and my first impression was that the 100w sounded better at music store volume which is a little louder than you would play at home I suppose. I went back and did a side-by-side and still think the 100w sounds better. I like the vibe from the 100w version, but I don't get that vibe from the 50w. It's like there's something missing. Don't get me wrong, it sounds great and if I wasn't fortunate enough to afford the amps I have, it would definitely be a contender. However, if I had to choose between the 50w & 100w, I would choose the 100w even for low volume playing.
Re: 5150 III 50 vs 100 watter
Rly good music store? Or veeeeery cop-luvin' neighbours? To me, home volume is about 3x louder than music store volume
Rly good music store? Or veeeeery cop-luvin' neighbours? To me, home volume is about 3x louder than music store volume
Inder_Cine_Mann
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...and thats likely precisely the root of the problem. Too many differences, when people actually really want a smaller version of the real thing, which will always be the big brother in any series.
...and thats likely precisely the root of the problem. Too many differences, when people actually really want a smaller version of the real thing, which will always be the big brother in any series.
UberMetalDood
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The 100w has always seemed pretty reliable for a MIM amp. I haven't heard anything bad about the 50w so I assume they're just as reliable. I'm guessing EVH is held to higher standards than other Fender MIM amps because I have seen a lot of people reporting issues with many of their other models.
Do you always assume that people are too stupid to know the difference?
The 100w has always seemed pretty reliable for a MIM amp. I haven't heard anything bad about the 50w so I assume they're just as reliable. I'm guessing EVH is held to higher standards than other Fender MIM amps because I have seen a lot of people reporting issues with many of their other models.
Do you always assume that people are too stupid to know the difference?
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UberMetalDood
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Don't get stuck on that. The difference between low volume and loud. By the way, people usually have to play a bit louder at a big music store than at home because there are other idiots blasting amps and you can't hear yourself play unless the amp is turned up a bit. That's beside the point though because the point is that I only opened the amps up a little bit, so I don't know whether they compress at higher volumes or get trebly or whatever happens when they are played very loud. Therefore, I was only giving my opinion as to what they would sound like for home/studio use and not live playing.
Don't get stuck on that. The difference between low volume and loud. By the way, people usually have to play a bit louder at a big music store than at home because there are other idiots blasting amps and you can't hear yourself play unless the amp is turned up a bit. That's beside the point though because the point is that I only opened the amps up a little bit, so I don't know whether they compress at higher volumes or get trebly or whatever happens when they are played very loud. Therefore, I was only giving my opinion as to what they would sound like for home/studio use and not live playing.
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Uhm, NO, on the contrary, big renowned industry standard heads have a tendency to "open up", even out, and sound better at loud volumes... Which is why they're so widely respected and used.
It aint a freakin Squier Frontman 15R, y'know??
Uhm, NO, on the contrary, big renowned industry standard heads have a tendency to "open up", even out, and sound better at loud volumes... Which is why they're so widely respected and used.
It aint a freakin Squier Frontman 15R, y'know??
UberMetalDood
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OK expert guy, thanks for your valuable input in this thread. Wow! You seem so knowledgeable, maybe even sage-like. You must be an incredible player. Please tell us where can we find your audio clips or videos so we can have the opportunity to admire your playing. Ah, by the way... I read your first post and was wondering how you were able to discern so much having never played either yourself. Please don't get too technical or most of us will not be able to understand the complexities of amp engineering over the past few decades that developed the "big renowned industry standard heads."
OK expert guy, thanks for your valuable input in this thread. Wow! You seem so knowledgeable, maybe even sage-like. You must be an incredible player. Please tell us where can we find your audio clips or videos so we can have the opportunity to admire your playing. Ah, by the way... I read your first post and was wondering how you were able to discern so much having never played either yourself. Please don't get too technical or most of us will not be able to understand the complexities of amp engineering over the past few decades that developed the "big renowned industry standard heads."
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Gearjoneser
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Re: 5150 III 50 vs 100 watter
Without further Adieu.:butkick:
Without further Adieu.:butkick:
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Re: 5150 III 50 vs 100 watter
Sheeeet, are you TRYING to get me to stop agreeong with your conclusions? Cuz, initially, I was... Agreeing.
Big heads of a design (well, "family") that, in many genres, is used by 50+% of gigging bands WILL sound as good or better at high volumes than at low levels, like, duh. Thas why ppl USE them. Live. Loudly. Even without ever getting the green light or stamp of approval from you.
Sheeeet, are you TRYING to get me to stop agreeong with your conclusions? Cuz, initially, I was... Agreeing.
Big heads of a design (well, "family") that, in many genres, is used by 50+% of gigging bands WILL sound as good or better at high volumes than at low levels, like, duh. Thas why ppl USE them. Live. Loudly. Even without ever getting the green light or stamp of approval from you.
UberMetalDood
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Dude you were being sarcastic to start off with for no reason. Pardon me if I was wrong, but from all indication your first reply sounded like you were questioning my judgement about the volume level. From my opening statement to my subsequent posts, I made it abundantly clear that I was judging it by relatively low volume playing. I wouldn't have mentioned that if I didn't know that amps sound better when cranked. You pretty much prompted my response when you said "It aint a freakin Squier Frontman 15R, y'know??" If you were agreeing with me then you might reconsider how you communicated your responses because I didn't get that at all.
Dude you were being sarcastic to start off with for no reason. Pardon me if I was wrong, but from all indication your first reply sounded like you were questioning my judgement about the volume level. From my opening statement to my subsequent posts, I made it abundantly clear that I was judging it by relatively low volume playing. I wouldn't have mentioned that if I didn't know that amps sound better when cranked. You pretty much prompted my response when you said "It aint a freakin Squier Frontman 15R, y'know??" If you were agreeing with me then you might reconsider how you communicated your responses because I didn't get that at all.
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dvanburen
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im actually getting ready to purchase the 100w head very soon. I finally decided to go with the 100w head even though right now I'm playing in the house. The 50w is appealing with the resonance knob and the headphone out but the fact that ch 2 and 3 share eq and the volume jump between channels was the deciding factor for me. With each channel on the 100w being independent, it is much more versatile than a shared eq. Especially with the footswitch being customizable. Makes more sense when playing live or in a band setting. 50w would be a great little recording amp though. But again for me, the 100w wins for me in versatility. I wouldnt like tweeking the knobs every time I swapped channels, that would get old for me. I think both would be equally as good at bedroom volumes. I'm gonna try the 100w with a 2x12 cab and go from there
im actually getting ready to purchase the 100w head very soon. I finally decided to go with the 100w head even though right now I'm playing in the house. The 50w is appealing with the resonance knob and the headphone out but the fact that ch 2 and 3 share eq and the volume jump between channels was the deciding factor for me. With each channel on the 100w being independent, it is much more versatile than a shared eq. Especially with the footswitch being customizable. Makes more sense when playing live or in a band setting. 50w would be a great little recording amp though. But again for me, the 100w wins for me in versatility. I wouldnt like tweeking the knobs every time I swapped channels, that would get old for me. I think both would be equally as good at bedroom volumes. I'm gonna try the 100w with a 2x12 cab and go from there
