59/custom hybrid mag swapping

So I'm considering changing the magnet in my 59/c. Now I have a lot of options here but the ones I'm gravitating most towards are a2 and a8. I think I remember B2R saying his favorite was an a2, which I might be on board with, and I know how much this forum loves the a8s and more output and thickness from it is tempting. This would be my first mag swap I do myself, but I found and studied that video (I think that) CTN made and I'm ready to give it a shot the next time I change the strings on my wacky green stratish machine. Anyone have extensive experience with either? Also I might flip the pickup around to change the tone of it since one coil is hotter than the other. Any advice would be appreciated!

Also if all goes well I might do the same for the Jazz in the neck so suggestions welcome for that too.
 
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I put an a8 in my 59/c hybrid and its great. Adds much more "fluidity" to the feel with out changing the tone much. Wont go back.
 
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I put an UOA5 in mine and really like it. I put mine together using a TB-59 slug coil and a TB-Custom screw coil with the screw coil toward the bridge, so it is a bit different than the stock version.
 
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I put an A8 in my 59/Custom to thicken it up.

It did exactly that but the natural articulate character of the PU is still very much there.

Putting an A8 literally shift the mids. More low mids but still clear.

What kind of sound are you going for?
 
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I put an A8 in my 59/Custom to thicken it up.

It did exactly that but the natural articulate character of the PU is still very much there.

Putting an A8 literally shift the mids. More low mids but still clear.

What kind of sound are you going for?
Well that's the tricky part. I want to know about downsides for each before I decide. I plan on flipping ut around so the custom slug is closest to the bridge for a brighter tone, then I want to either soften the highs or kick up the mids and output so it's more balanced. LEANING towards more output and more low mids. The 59/c has amazing mids already, but I noticed what gives it those characteristics and the "complex" midrange is that the low mids are kind of scooped while the high mids add the texture and growl it's known for. Kind of trying to make the pickup a little more applicable for heavier styles of music. But if the a2 version brought more sweetness and versatility to the table and the a8 made it sound mushy or flat or something, then I'd rather go with the mag that complements the pickup more. Maybe even an a4.
 
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then I want to either soften the highs or kick up the mids and output. LEANING towards more output and more low mids.

The A8 will likely do all of that at the same time.

It's not a magnet that lends itself to mushy tones though, unless the pickup itself is mushy. The low end is tight, the low-mids are muscular, the upper mids are articulate but not overpowering, and the highs are smooth. And it's fairly high output.
 
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I want to know about downsides for each before I decide.

That's not the way it works.

The tonal outcome is the result of a very complex equation where the magnet is just one of the variables, being your OWN p'ups, your OWN guitar and your OWN setup the biggest variables.

Bottom line: you can ballpark a tone to choose the, say, two most likely mag candidates, but the final outcome will be AFTER you've made the mods, installed the modded p'ups and set the instrument up, keeping in mind that the same instrument will LOVE some mods and will HATE others. As simple as that.

Everything else before that, is just speculation.

HTH,
 
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I know it only takes a few minutes and I could use the practice. Magnets aren't that expensive right? So I might as well get multiple ones and try them out. You the guy yo talk to about that Kojack?
 
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The tonal outcome is the result of a very complex equation where the magnet is just one of the variables, being your OWN p'ups, your OWN guitar and your OWN setup the biggest variables.

Bottom line: you can ballpark a tone to choose the, say, two most likely mag candidates, but the final outcome will be AFTER you've made the mods, installed the modded p'ups and set the instrument up, keeping in mind that the same instrument will LOVE some mods and will HATE others. As simple as that.

+1. Even after having swapped magnets dozens of times, I don't always pick the right one when I try a swap. I get it right the first time more often than I used to, but I'm still not 100%.
 
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I put A2 in my SH16b hybrid because I really loved the Seth tone but wanted the unbalanced coil sound with a touch more output (I also ordered it unpotted). I got exactly what I was after, it's the very best humbucker I have heard to date. But the problem is that I haven't found a good matching neck pickup yet. Right now it's an unpotted PGn. The unbalanced coils give enough dynamics that ordinary humbuckers just don't sound as good to my ears. And this is in a Hamer Newport (hollowbody) so changing pickups is a PITA! But I digress. A2 sounds GREAT and BachtoRock was always a huge fan of A2 in his C/59 trials.
 
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How can you guys swap a magnet in "a few minutes?" By the time I've begun to re-tighten the strings it's usually a 20-30 minute venture.

One piece of advice for you OP. Instead of changing the magnet and flipping the pickup at the same time, do one and then the other. That way you will know what change did exactly what. I did something similar recently - I changed magnets and also rewired the guitar. I kind of wish I had done one and then the other so I knew exactly what changed for each modification.

Anyway, back on topic - I've been really happy with the A5 in my 59/C and have felt no desire to change it. But..... I have a spare A2 and A3 laying around and I was thinking about making another AddictionFX order. I really don't want to mess with the awesomely open and uncompressed tone of this pickup but I think that's more the wind than the magnet. I recently put an A8 in my PG bridge and I love the pickup even more now, but part of the reason is that I wanted a bit more kick out of the PG. I don't feel that way about the 59/C. Maybe I should get an A4, UOA5, RCA5, A8, and experiment.
 
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The problem is that I haven't found a good matching neck pickup yet. Right now it's an unpotted PGn.

An A3 in that PGn of yours might be what the doctor ordered...

HTH,
 
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Another thing to keep in mind is that your tastes will probably also change with time.

When I made my first C/59 hybrid I started with an A5 and it sounded great, but I wanted just a bit more warmth. I tried A8 and A2 (which both sounded great, by the way), but ended up using a UOA5. It fit the bill perfectly.

But now I think I would prefer an A8 in it for use in the bridge slot and maybe an A2 for the neck. I think I have 6 hybrids made up and installed in guitars, so maybe it's time to do some more experimenting myself.

Natman, A Fuglybucker might give you what you want for the neck...very sweet sounding with great clarity and articulation, an A2 mag for some warmth and smoothness, unbalanced coils for touch and sensitivity and some complexity, almost an acoustic sound to it, and good output.
 
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Mag swapping on the 59/Custom Hybrid is almost ridiculous. It's already tweaked and sounds great as-is. If anything, A2 might be cool or UOA5 would give it some vintage velvety softness, but all of the qualities it has going for it in stock form are what makes it great. If you want to put an A8 then why bother with the hybrid? You might as well get an Alt 8, PATB-2, or Crunch Lab or something. The Jazz MIGHT benefit from an A8, but it's such a powerful magnet that I doubt it will balance properly with any bridge. You would have to lower it so much that it will become almost useless. Then you would lose all that high end detail and balanced low end that makes the Jazz a great neck pickup.

Honestly, I think magnet swapping is becoming ridiculous. It's a nice option if you have a SPECIFIC, minor change in mind, but if you don't know exactly what you want to achieve, it equates to just time spent experimenting. The qualities of each pickup are already posted out there. I just imagine how a minor variance in output and tone matches with the tonal qualities of the magnet type and it always gives me pretty much an accurate idea of what I find when I do the swap. I haven't really been surprised yet.

These days, it's the amp + speakers mostly. Most pickups are essentially a matter of output, feel and basic underlying EQ. Some pickups, like certain Dimarzios, have rather unique sounds, but most pickups sound similar except with minor EQ differences. I look at pickups is kind of the link between me and the amp rather than a major part of the tone. You can swap magnets and tweak all you like, and you might just get lucky, but most of the time you have to have a specific purpose in mind or your pickups need to be designed with that certain magnet in mind perhaps.

I'm just being honest here because I think mag swapping on the 59/Custom Hybrid is pretty much a waste of time. Get yourself one of those roughcast A2 magnets and you will have a little more thickness, a little less top end brightness, but you are going to lose a little output. A polished A2 will be slightly more powerful and give you the same effect but not exactly the same vintage softness. UOA5 will probably work perfect tonally, but he 59/Custom already feels loose to me and wouldn't feel right with UOA5. Plus, you will lose a little power. Ceramic will definitely be thicker and more powerful, but I don't think it will tame the high end or add any mids. A8 will be thick and warm, but you will lose a lot of things that make it a cool pickup. It's too powerful and you won't have the dynamics and all that. You might as well get one of those Liberators and turn it into an active pickup or something.
 
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Honestly, I think magnet swapping is becoming ridiculous. It's a nice option if you have a SPECIFIC, minor change in mind, but if you don't know exactly what you want to achieve, it equates to just time spent experimenting.

You're right, mag swapping should be banned, or at least heavily regulated! It's gotten out of control and politicians need to step in. After all, PU makers already design their PU's to sound perfect in every wood & model of guitar, thru every amp (tube and solid state) and every possible speaker combination, and for every genre. How on earth could anyone have the nerve to think they could tailor a PU to fit their specific situation better than a one-size-fits-all PU? It's an affrontery to decent civilized people. These magnet-happy guys have a lot of gall, I'm telling you. And even worse, some of them are just wasting their time 'experimenting', like that's ever produced anything of value throughout human history! Heretics! Freethinkers! Burn them at the stake I say!
 
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You're right, mag swapping should be banned, or at least heavily regulated! It's gotten out of control and politicians need to step in. After all, PU makers already design their PU's to sound perfect in every wood & model of guitar, thru every amp (tube and solid state) and every possible speaker combination, and for every genre. How on earth could anyone have the nerve to think they could tailor a PU to fit their specific situation better than a one-size-fits-all PU? It's an affrontery to decent civilized people. These magnet-happy guys have a lot of gall, I'm telling you. And even worse, some of them are just wasting their time 'experimenting', like that's ever produced anything of value throughout human history! Heretics! Freethinkers! Burn them at the stake I say!

Way to overreact dude. He isn't against mag swaps, he just thinks it's overdone.
 
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