'59 / hotrail / jb with a 5-way toggle

[sarcaster]

I have a PRS swamp ash with a stock Neck (59 style) , hot rail middle, and a JB in the bridge.
I'm looking to rip put the 3 way toggle/ push pull and really muck up my guitar. I love the "in between ducky strat sounds" so i want to split at 2nd and 4th, but want to keep the bridge JB and mid HR, and Neck McCarty

I want to add a 5-way (strat style toggle) and wire it so the 1st and 5th positions are the humbuckers, but the 2nd and 4th positions split the coils automatically split.

So this is what I am looking for:
postion 1 - Bridge Humbucker
postion 2 - Bridge split + Middle
postion 3 - Middle
postion 4 - Neck split + Middle
postion 5 - Neck Humbucker


I have had this done for me years back on another guitar, but have since lost contact with the guy that did it.

Does any one have the schematics for this?

I know it sounds complicated and have searched all ove, but I'm not finding what i need. HELP!!

 

[Artie]

Re: '59 / hotrail / jb with a 5-way toggle

This is pretty simple, and I have it somewhere in my archive, but I was just heading to bed. If no one else covers it, I'll post it tomorrow.

 

[Artie]

Re: '59 / hotrail / jb with a 5-way toggle

This should do it:

btw - Love the screen name.

Artie

 

[kjrocks]

Re: '59 / hotrail / jb with a 5-way toggle

Wow ,they dont get much easier than that.

 

[sarcaster]

Re: '59 / hotrail / jb with a 5-way toggle

So no wires get capped off? I had a JB in my sar...um stratocaster but if I remember right I had to cap off one.

 

[Artie]

Re: '59 / hotrail / jb with a 5-way toggle

The Hotrail in the middle gets its red/white wires soldered together and capped off.

 

[Dr. Lo]

Re: '59 / hotrail / jb with a 5-way toggle

Using Artie Too's schematic, the 2 and 4 positions will use the middle pickup (hot rails) in full-humbucking mode, meaning those positions will give you a thicker tone than the quacky strat tone you're hoping for. You may be happier if you were to also split the Hot Rails when in positions 2 and 4. I think you can achieve this by soldering the red and white wires from the Hot Rails to the lug where you would solder the red and white wire from the neck pickup, and then, using a jumper wire, connect that lug to the lug where you would solder the red and white wires from the bridge pickup. This will mean that either position 2 or position 4 (not both) will be humbucking, and both positions will give you more of that strat quack.

To have all five positions humbucking, you will need to use a slightly more complicated schematic, but it's possible.

 

[Artie]

Re: '59 / hotrail / jb with a 5-way toggle

Doc; if you do that, you will have effectively connected all the red/white wires together - bypassing the function of the switch. You'll have one coil of all three pups on all the time, in any position. In order to make the HotRails split in the #2 and #4 positions will require a Superswitch.

 

[Dr. Lo]

Re: '59 / hotrail / jb with a 5-way toggle

Yes, you're correct Artie. Thanks. I've used a Super Switch with two humbuckers to get various split and full-humbucking combinations. It's pretty cool what you can achieve with such a switch.

 

[sarcaster]

Re: '59 / hotrail / jb with a 5-way toggle

I'm confused now lol; but I appreciate all the comments.
Maybe I can describe what I'm wishing to get differently:

5 way switch:
1-Bridge Humbucker
2-Strat sounding single coil bridge and middle
3-preferably middle single coil sound alone
4-Neck and Middle single coil strat sound
5-Neck humbucker

I'm still learning how to do all this, and maybe I shouldn't be doing it my PRS, but I already started lol. Right now the volume turns on the piezo in it, the tone makes my doorbell beep-It's basically a solid body acoustic.

Once I have the schematics, the next issue is how do I add a 5 way toggle to a solid body guitar that has no pickup-I see wood chip in my future.

But hey-I'm buy them to play, not to show.

thanks in advance all

 

[sarcaster]

Re: '59 / hotrail / jb with a 5-way toggle

I meant to say a soild body that has no pick guard
lol

 

[sarcaster]

Re: '59 / hotrail / jb with a 5-way toggle

Whats a superswitch?

 

[Aceman]

Re: '59 / hotrail / jb with a 5-way toggle

Wire the hotrail to the push/pull split switch FIRST. Then send to the 5 way. That's how it's done on my Ray Benson strat (with Duncans!)

That way you can also have bucker hot rail plus split neck or split bridge. I like to use those sounds to "balls up" the tele bridge or split neck. It would bass out the JB nicely I'd think....

 

[sarcaster]

Re: '59 / hotrail / jb with a 5-way toggle

Sorry, I should have mentioned earlier-I want to eliminate the push pull
I just want it to split stratty in 2nd and 4th via the 5way toggle
I know it's possible, i had it done before-i just dont have that guitar to compare to