80's Kramer Pacer 1 confusion

[Hairmail]

Hi,

So I'm looking at buying this Kramer Pacer, and its an 86/87 pacer custom 1 with the slanted humbucker, I'm kinda confused about the controls and floyd though.

These seem to come in many different configs, some with recessed floyds and others without them, most of them seem to have some kind of blower switch as well but this one doesn't. Could someone shed some light on these?

I've put up pics of the one I'm looking at as well as another one I found online.

 

[ErikH]

Re: 80's Kramer Pacer 1 confusion

The top one's mini-toggles are individual on-off switches for the pickups. The bottom one is the same except that 4th toggle by the volume control may be to split the humbucker or be a blower. It's not stock.

These are solid guitars. At this point, all the bodies and necks were made by ESP and then shipped to NJ for paint, frets, wiring and final assembly. ESP also made the bodies and necks for the Focus line and they were very similar to the USA versions, the main difference being the jack plates and sometimes the neck plates. That said, that era became real easy to make mutts from Focus bodies and USA necks.

 

[muttznmongrelz]

Re: 80's Kramer Pacer 1 confusion

http://vintagekramer.com/pacer2.htm

VintageKramer.com - all you ever wanted to know about Vintage Kramers but were afraid to ask!

 

[Hairmail]

Re: 80's Kramer Pacer 1 confusion

The thing is I'm finding inconsistent info, ~80% of the models I've seen have got that 4th toggle and I've found this print ad with the blower switch on, but the model on the vintagekramer site has only the 3 toggle switches:



Also is 700 Canadian a fair price for one of those?

 

[ErikH]

80's Kramer Pacer 1 confusion

That print ad isn't the same guitar. The lower horn has a scoop and the horns are a bit rounder. Also, notice the 4th toggle is further away from the volume pot compared to the one in the first post.

$700 might be high unless it is mint. See what sold eBay deals show. Offer $500 and go from there.

 

[Hairmail]

Re: 80's Kramer Pacer 1 confusion

I did find this page on the Vintage Kramer website: http://www.vintagekramer.com/serials-e.htm

Turns out at the start they had the 3 toggles and then added the blower switch and recessed floyd later on. The website does say that not one guitar is the same, some even had different body styles and none of the necks are identical

Isn't $500 a bit low for a US-assembled guitar with stock duncans and OFR?

 

[ErikH]

Re: 80's Kramer Pacer 1 confusion

Not at all. Those old Kramers don't command as much as people think they will unless they are dead mint pre-pointy headstock with everything stock, the so-called Holy Grail, a mint Sambora and a few other artist models and a few select Kline graphics.