A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
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GoldenVulture
Braindeadologist
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
You quoted me scrutinizing the particulars of specific tonewood tests alongside his request to keep the thread limited to scrutinizing particulars of specific tonewood tests.
Electro-mechanical reproduction, I take it?
You quoted me scrutinizing the particulars of specific tonewood tests alongside his request to keep the thread limited to scrutinizing particulars of specific tonewood tests.
Electro-mechanical reproduction, I take it?
kramersteen
PowerMetalRaph
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
This thread is truly painful.
This thread is truly painful.
GoldenVulture
Braindeadologist
crusty philtrum
Vintageologist
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
Once the science of wood's influence or lack of influence on tone is resolved scientifically, we will need to then scientifically analyse human emotions to determine if they influence sound during musical performances, and if so, in what way. Perhaps we'd need scientific research into what makes a good gig and why people like some music and not some other types.
Once that's sorted out, musical acts can be graded scientifically, and gig-goers will be able to decide what level of scientific shows they want to attend or avoid.
I can't help noticing that this Tonewoods person has never mentioned playing guitar, or anything else to do with guitar playing. I am curious as to how he would deal with various other aspects of life, such as ... oh i dunno .... falling in love, weeping, laughing etc. They should lend themselves well to scientific analysis.
I just got home from a beautiful walk along the river, and was watching a platypus swimming and diving. Sometimes there is magic happening in life that is best just accepted without question. Where i live, there are many guitar players who have the 1980s stylings down very well, dirty sounds widdling all over the fretboard. But my primitive '70s-orientated noises get the acclaim. Why ? I don't know, beyond the fact that whatever i do is truly me, i'm not trying to be anybody else. It could probably be proven that the other guys could outplay me at every turn, but something less tangible is at play.
Indeed science could be helpful, and to some degree has got us to where we are today. But in the arts, it's only one part of a bigger picture ... a picture that also contains humanity ... emotions and certain unknown magical elements. When we didn't have good paper and pens, we drew on rocks with charcoal or scratched our ideas out with bits of sharpened rock. The message was still made.
anyway, don't mind me, i'm just an average human being. Carry on with the science. Sorry for the interruption.
Once the science of wood's influence or lack of influence on tone is resolved scientifically, we will need to then scientifically analyse human emotions to determine if they influence sound during musical performances, and if so, in what way. Perhaps we'd need scientific research into what makes a good gig and why people like some music and not some other types.
Once that's sorted out, musical acts can be graded scientifically, and gig-goers will be able to decide what level of scientific shows they want to attend or avoid.
I can't help noticing that this Tonewoods person has never mentioned playing guitar, or anything else to do with guitar playing. I am curious as to how he would deal with various other aspects of life, such as ... oh i dunno .... falling in love, weeping, laughing etc. They should lend themselves well to scientific analysis.
I just got home from a beautiful walk along the river, and was watching a platypus swimming and diving. Sometimes there is magic happening in life that is best just accepted without question. Where i live, there are many guitar players who have the 1980s stylings down very well, dirty sounds widdling all over the fretboard. But my primitive '70s-orientated noises get the acclaim. Why ? I don't know, beyond the fact that whatever i do is truly me, i'm not trying to be anybody else. It could probably be proven that the other guys could outplay me at every turn, but something less tangible is at play.
Indeed science could be helpful, and to some degree has got us to where we are today. But in the arts, it's only one part of a bigger picture ... a picture that also contains humanity ... emotions and certain unknown magical elements. When we didn't have good paper and pens, we drew on rocks with charcoal or scratched our ideas out with bits of sharpened rock. The message was still made.
anyway, don't mind me, i'm just an average human being. Carry on with the science. Sorry for the interruption.
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Little Pigbacon
Guest
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
^ Hush with that noise, you! We are trying to science.
^ Hush with that noise, you! We are trying to science.
beaubrummels
Well-known member
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
If you look at his name and join date, it's clear he only created an account specifically to cause this pain to everyone else. All 40+ of his posts are only in this thread. Seems like another bickering no-life teenager off Facebook who's launched some self-appointed mission created in his own head just to boost his own self-esteem. And he's labeled and accused all other long-time members of being characters he's made up in his own mental fantasy world. At this point, I seriously doubt he even owns a musical instrument. Either way, he's certainly adding no value to the forum, IMHO.
If you look at his name and join date, it's clear he only created an account specifically to cause this pain to everyone else. All 40+ of his posts are only in this thread. Seems like another bickering no-life teenager off Facebook who's launched some self-appointed mission created in his own head just to boost his own self-esteem. And he's labeled and accused all other long-time members of being characters he's made up in his own mental fantasy world. At this point, I seriously doubt he even owns a musical instrument. Either way, he's certainly adding no value to the forum, IMHO.
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
Discussion of the Discussion = Check.
Characterizations intended to minimize/discredit= Check
Ban-Begging = Check.
You just scored the "I'm butthurt over losing an internet forum argument" hat trick.
We know where you, Kramersteen, GoldenVulture, etc stand. Can you please leave this to people who want to talk science?
Or since you all insist you have scientific ideas of your own to contribute, I'm anxiously awaiting THAT shining beacon of sterling insight to one day appear.
Discussion of the Discussion = Check.
Characterizations intended to minimize/discredit= Check
Ban-Begging = Check.
You just scored the "I'm butthurt over losing an internet forum argument" hat trick.
We know where you, Kramersteen, GoldenVulture, etc stand. Can you please leave this to people who want to talk science?
Or since you all insist you have scientific ideas of your own to contribute, I'm anxiously awaiting THAT shining beacon of sterling insight to one day appear.
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Snake Aces
Singlecut Slut
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
Another prime example of avoiding opposition by insulting, ignoring, making fun of or lumping them together.
I do not know of anybody else here but "hard science" is not an actual degree offered in any university I have ever been to. Perhaps hard science is a field offered in the pharmaceutical or adult film industry but when talking physics it does not apply. Besides, your lack of knowledge in quantum physics shows us all you have not actually studied science in any kind of university at all. If you had a 4 year degree in a scientific field of any kind you would either have studied quantum physics or be able to acknowledge it's existence as science.
Furthermore, and really the most obvious flaw with your self-labeling of scientist, is your complete lack of respect for the scientific process. As explorersrock has pointed out, you are approaching the experiement with an end result goal. No true scientist does this. Only paid researchers do this to give a company or interest group a long essay to "prove" their claims or interests (tobacco industry "science").
Another prime example of avoiding opposition by insulting, ignoring, making fun of or lumping them together.
I do not know of anybody else here but "hard science" is not an actual degree offered in any university I have ever been to. Perhaps hard science is a field offered in the pharmaceutical or adult film industry but when talking physics it does not apply. Besides, your lack of knowledge in quantum physics shows us all you have not actually studied science in any kind of university at all. If you had a 4 year degree in a scientific field of any kind you would either have studied quantum physics or be able to acknowledge it's existence as science.
Furthermore, and really the most obvious flaw with your self-labeling of scientist, is your complete lack of respect for the scientific process. As explorersrock has pointed out, you are approaching the experiement with an end result goal. No true scientist does this. Only paid researchers do this to give a company or interest group a long essay to "prove" their claims or interests (tobacco industry "science").
beaubrummels
Well-known member
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
Well, that's interesting. There's an entire forum of like-minded individuals, musicians, luthiers, scientists, researchers, professional and amateur... and then there's Tonewoods, all by himself. Imagine that.
Well, that's interesting. There's an entire forum of like-minded individuals, musicians, luthiers, scientists, researchers, professional and amateur... and then there's Tonewoods, all by himself. Imagine that.
Snake Aces
Singlecut Slut
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
A lot of us have asked Tonewoods to stop. He even has said he will stop but he keeps coming back. Tonewoods is the smaller faction here.
A lot of us have asked Tonewoods to stop. He even has said he will stop but he keeps coming back. Tonewoods is the smaller faction here.
DreX
New member
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
There was a time when bloodletting was thought to cure people of various illnesses, until someone somewhere decided to think a little harder about whether bleeding on purpose was actually beneficial. You can bet all the physicians who charged a few coins for their bloodletting services weren't too happy that someone came along and questioned how much of a difference it actually made, and even some of their patients who believe it had cured them probably weren't thrilled about the idea, either.
There was a time when bloodletting was thought to cure people of various illnesses, until someone somewhere decided to think a little harder about whether bleeding on purpose was actually beneficial. You can bet all the physicians who charged a few coins for their bloodletting services weren't too happy that someone came along and questioned how much of a difference it actually made, and even some of their patients who believe it had cured them probably weren't thrilled about the idea, either.
DreX
New member
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
Anyone can stop, but nobody stops.
Look at it from his point of view, everyone's allowed to take parting pot shots except for him? How's that fair?
Anyone can stop, but nobody stops.
Look at it from his point of view, everyone's allowed to take parting pot shots except for him? How's that fair?
GoldenVulture
Braindeadologist
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
It's that " every action has an equall and opposite reaction " stuff...
It's that " every action has an equall and opposite reaction " stuff...
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Little Pigbacon
Guest
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
Once again we see how insulting people makes the worst possible conversational partners out of them. That's my main take-away from this thread. Once you go there and demonstrate that it's more than a one-time fluke, it stays -- at best -- boiling just under the surface.
Once again we see how insulting people makes the worst possible conversational partners out of them. That's my main take-away from this thread. Once you go there and demonstrate that it's more than a one-time fluke, it stays -- at best -- boiling just under the surface.
Snake Aces
Singlecut Slut
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
Who else is taking pot shots? We asked him to state his credentials and then he says they do not matter. When we question his response that is considered a pot shot? Saying somebody has a "garbage mind" is a direct insult which is what Tonewoods has said. Or saying we are "dumber than baboons" is a direct insult to people. Asking questions about Tonewoods' stated credentials is not a pot shot nor is the way it is being asked. He says he has a degree in hard science but that does not answer the "state your credentials" question at all; it merely dances around the question even more.
The fair thing to do would be for Tonewoods to respect the scientific process.
The fair thing to do would be for Tonewoods to back up his credential claims by showing us his resume and his degree. Remember, we are not the ones stating Tonewoods is qualified here and most of us are not stating we are qualified here either. Tonewoods is the one saying he is more than qualified to be having this discussion. Ok, then show us, back up your claims or go home. That's fair.
Who else is taking pot shots? We asked him to state his credentials and then he says they do not matter. When we question his response that is considered a pot shot? Saying somebody has a "garbage mind" is a direct insult which is what Tonewoods has said. Or saying we are "dumber than baboons" is a direct insult to people. Asking questions about Tonewoods' stated credentials is not a pot shot nor is the way it is being asked. He says he has a degree in hard science but that does not answer the "state your credentials" question at all; it merely dances around the question even more.
The fair thing to do would be for Tonewoods to respect the scientific process.
The fair thing to do would be for Tonewoods to back up his credential claims by showing us his resume and his degree. Remember, we are not the ones stating Tonewoods is qualified here and most of us are not stating we are qualified here either. Tonewoods is the one saying he is more than qualified to be having this discussion. Ok, then show us, back up your claims or go home. That's fair.
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Little Pigbacon
Guest
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
But SnakeAces, we are so dumb that we couldn't possibly hope to understand what all those big words on a degree or résumé mean. In fact, I don't think it's a good idea for us all to be using computers right now. We could be seriously injured by all the science inside them!
But SnakeAces, we are so dumb that we couldn't possibly hope to understand what all those big words on a degree or résumé mean. In fact, I don't think it's a good idea for us all to be using computers right now. We could be seriously injured by all the science inside them!
GoldenVulture
Braindeadologist
Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone
Do you reckon we can strecth this to another page ? Or alternatively; Drex, delete the thread and try again.
You'd have your basic criterion a little more defined from the beginning.
Do you reckon we can strecth this to another page ? Or alternatively; Drex, delete the thread and try again.
You'd have your basic criterion a little more defined from the beginning.
