A2P sounding thin....

[Nem]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

its a jackson slsmg, 1 tone, 1 volume, 3 way blade switch with 8 terminals

btw, when i use the extra magnet to test the direction of the magnets in the pickups, i just have to make sure that i get the same reaction with it on both pickups right? so if one pup pulls themagnet down, make sure the other one does as well? does it matter it if attracts or repels? or just as long as both do the same?

 

[Luke Duke]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

its a jackson slsmg, 1 tone, 1 volume, 3 way blade switch with 8 terminals

btw, when i use the extra magnet to test the direction of the magnets in the pickups, i just have to make sure that i get the same reaction with it on both pickups right? so if one pup pulls themagnet down, make sure the other one does as well? does it matter it if attracts or repels? or just as long as both do the same?

Exactly! Do your controls work alright?

Luke

 

[Nem]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

lol the controls are kinda ok, they work but the volume pot is reversed. normally you turn the thing clockwise to increase volume but on mine its anticlockwise

i just tried the magnet thing and both both attractive :s
but ill try again later with a more powerful magnet

 

[Luke Duke]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

lol the controls are kinda ok, they work but the volume pot is reversed. normally you turn the thing clockwise to increase volume but on mine its anticlockwise

i just tried the magnet thing and both both attractive :s
but ill try again later with a more powerful magnet

For that to work you have to make sure it was the same coil as well, did I mention that? :smack:

You might have some bad pots. For your Jackson it should have warmed it up nicely.

Luke

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

I recommend getting a polarity tester from Stewart MacDonald (www.stewmac.com).

It's a very simple device, only about $7.00. A little magnet inside a plastic tube with one side black and the other side white. You put it over the pole piece or slug and the little magnet flips to the side that it attracts to and you can tell the polarity by the color of the side facing up:

Black = south
White = north

On your typical humbucker, the screw coil should be south (black) and the slug coil should be north (white).

It's a handy little thing to have when you're changing or flipping bar magnets to make sure the pickup won't be out of phase with the other pickups when you wire it back in.

 

[Nem]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

For that to work you have to make sure it was the same coil as well, did I mention that? :smack:

same coil? im not sure what the terminology is for the coils, but i assume you mean the little round things on the pickup?
like a humbucker has 2 of those rounded rectangular things, each one with 6 metal round bits? one set are screws and the other arent

when you say same coil, do you mean like you have to use the magnet on the screw side on both humbuckers? or the nonscrew side on both?

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

Humbuckers have two coils each with 6 polepieces each -- one with 6 adjustable screws, the other with 6 non-adjustable slugs (though on some model all 12 poles are adjustable screws).

The magnet (a long rectangular metal bar) sits below the coils and in between the two sets of poles. The north pole (side) of the magnet faces the non-adjustable slugs and the south pole faces the screws.

 

[Luke Duke]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

Humbuckers have two coils each with 6 polepieces each -- one with 6 adjustable screws, the other with 6 non-adjustable slugs (though on some model all 12 poles are adjustable screws).

The magnet (a long rectangular metal bar) sits below the coils and in between the two sets of poles. The north pole (side) of the magnet faces the non-adjustable slugs and the south pole faces the screws.

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[mnbaseball91]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

Your clips sound exactly like my guitar sounded when I had the pup out of phase. That was due to me using Duncan wiring for a Dimarzio, but yours are deffinatly out of phase for some reason.

To fix the backwards pot, just switch the two outside wires on it.

 

[frankencat]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

That first diagram you posted looks right to me. It does not reverse the "phase" it brings the "start" and "finish" of the series circuit out to different colored leads (i.e. different coils). When used with coil-splitting this allows for the pickups to be noise cancelling when both pickups are split. Now IF you did this AND flipped one of the magnets then the pickups would be out of phase with each other and sound thin when both pickups were engaged at the same time.

FWIW, both my Dean HT and Ibanez SZ are wired this way.

 

[Nem]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

Humbuckers have two coils each with 6 polepieces each -- one with 6 adjustable screws, the other with 6 non-adjustable slugs (though on some model all 12 poles are adjustable screws).

The magnet (a long rectangular metal bar) sits below the coils and in between the two sets of poles. The north pole (side) of the magnet faces the non-adjustable slugs and the south pole faces the screws.

oh so the poles are on the long edge of the magnet? i was always taught that they were at the very ends :smack:

anyone know where i can get a magnet from to test the direction of the pickup magnets? only looking for a cheap one

 

[Luke Duke]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

oh so the poles are on the long edge of the magnet? i was always taught that they were at the very ends :smack:

anyone know where i can get a magnet from to test the direction of the pickup magnets? only looking for a cheap one

For your trouble shooting purpose all you HAVE to have is a magnet that has one side you can differentiate. Then you put it on only one coil. Then check the same coil on the other pup.

Luke

 

[MattPete]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

oh so the poles are on the long edge of the magnet? i was always taught that they were at the very ends :smack:

anyone know where i can get a magnet from to test the direction of the pickup magnets? only looking for a cheap one

Just use a compass. I got one from Target for $5 or so.

 

[Luke Duke]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

Just use a compass. I got one from Target for $5 or so.

I laughed at first glance, but now I realize, IT'S FREAKIN BRILLIANT!!

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

No, no, no -- get the polarity tester from StewMac.

And yes, the poles are on the long edge.

 

[Luke Duke]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

No, no, no -- get the polarity tester from StewMac.

And yes, the poles are on the long edge.

I'll agree in the long run this is the way to go, but Mattpete and I were just trying to get the immediate results.

Luke

 

[Nem]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

got a magnet, tried it, and this is gunna sound really stupid, but because those slugs are metal, wouldnt the magnet be attracted to the pole pieces regardless of the pups magnet direction?

 

[Luke Duke]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

Yes but they are magnetized, so the opposite pole will attract.

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

Yes, but that's irrelevant. On a humbucker, the two coils are wound in the opposite direction, which would otherwise cause the the signal from each coil to electrically cancel each other out because they would be electronically out of phase with each other. But because the two sets of polepieces are getting their magnetism from opposite magnetic fields (slugs north/screws south) they are electronically back in phase with each other. This is what allows the humbucker to cancel the 60-cycle hum and noise that you get with single coil pickups without canceling the signal -- and how the humbucker got its name: it "bucks" the hum.

It's also a part of why humbuckers are so beefy, because there is still some phase cancellation on the very high frequencies, which causes humbuckers to be not as bright as single coils. The other reason is that with the two sets of poles and the wider magnet, you get a much wider magnetic field which allows the humbucker to pickup the longer wavelengths (bass/low mids).

 

[Nem]

Re: A2P sounding thin....

so what youre saying is that the polepieces are magnetised to whatever their coil is magnetised to? that doesnt make sense because it would mean the screws and the slugs should be magnetised differently? yet when i use the magnet on a slug and a screw, both of them attract