acoustic tonewoods

boulder4112

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hey can someone tell me the tone difference between a cedar or spruce top and the tone difference between a mahogany or rosewood back and sides? Is there a combo that works better here i.e. is mahogany + cedar better than mahogany+ spruce or rosewood+cedar vs rosewood+spruce?
 
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Are we talking steel sting acoustic or nylon string classical?
 
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I know Spruce and Mahogany make a good combination.

I believe Cedar has more of a full rich tone than Spruce, closer to a Mahogany top than a bright Spruce top. But I could be wrong.
 
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Generally speaking and I can only describe it comparing two together....and this only my opinion.....

For the tops I find....
- spruce is brighter sounding than cedar, it tends to be snappy, it is harder to overdrive a spruce top with strumming.
- cedar produces a more mellow sound, the notes seperate better and it responds well to finger picking styles. Cedar is softer and can be dented easier, it can be overdriven with aggressive strumming.

For the back and sides....talking solid woods not veneers...remember the back and sides don't affect the tone as much as the top and bracing do..
- Mahogany is smoother sounding, find it can reduce the overtones compared to rosewood. I would say it reduces some harshness from the sound.
- Rosewood adds some darkness to the tone, the notes articulate more, compared to mahogany the overtones are more present. The sound seems to carry a little more definition.

As far as combos go they are all made. You would have to test run them to see what you like. The style of the guitar will also affect the tone and volume of the guitar. Acoustics made of solid wood are great, they are not all built the same. Two identical guitars from the same manufacturer may sound different. In addition the aging of the glues and the wood will affect the tone.

Finding what appeals to you means trying 'em out.

Good luck with the search, let us know what you find.

Hope it helps.
 
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i believe he (boulder4112) was looking at seagulls, which offer various combo's of ceder/spruce tops with mahog/rosewood backs, only because he showed interest on the seagull thread.
 
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Rstlessone said:
Generally speaking and I can only describe it comparing two together....and this only my opinion.....

For the tops I find....
- spruce is brighter sounding than cedar, it tends to be snappy, it is harder to overdrive a spruce top with strumming.
- cedar produces a more mellow sound, the notes seperate better and it responds well to finger picking styles. Cedar is softer and can be dented easier, it can be overdriven with aggressive strumming.

For the back and sides....talking solid woods not veneers...remember the back and sides don't affect the tone as much as the top and bracing do..
- Mahogany is smoother sounding, find it can reduce the overtones compared to rosewood. I would say it reduces some harshness from the sound.
- Rosewood adds some darkness to the tone, the notes articulate more, compared to mahogany the overtones are more present. The sound seems to carry a little more definition.

As far as combos go they are all made. You would have to test run them to see what you like. The style of the guitar will also affect the tone and volume of the guitar. Acoustics made of solid wood are great, they are not all built the same. Two identical guitars from the same manufacturer may sound different. In addition the aging of the glues and the wood will affect the tone.

Finding what appeals to you means trying 'em out.

Good luck with the search, let us know what you find.

Hope it helps.

Excellent post of the subtle difference of tone woods. The only thing I would add is the body size can make a big difference in the sound of these combinations as well. A "D" sized guitar will naturally have more bottom than a 000 or OM will, and because of this a good choice would be Mahagony back and sides with either Spruce or Cedar. I personally would prefer Spruce with this size mainly because I use heavier strings and this would has more strucural integrity than cedar does. A small body guitar will be warmer if the body is made from Rosewood. Some people prefer Mahogony over Rosewood due to the fact that the balance from string to string tends to be very consistant. A good way to test this is to play a OM18, and then play a 00028 or OM28. The difference are subtle in some respects, but huge in others. Both are excellent choices. It really comes down to which will fit your needs best! :)
 
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If you look at all the $10,000.00+ concert quality classicals, they almost always have super-thin spruce tops and Rosewood back and sides. I don't think mahogony is a good tonal wood for an acoustic.
Check out Ramirez website they go through to the tonal differences of the woods. I don't know the address off the top of my head..
 
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DirrtyCraig said:
I don't think mahogony is a good tonal wood for an acoustic.

:wrf: You are joking, right? :eek5:

Mahogany is an excellent tone wood for acoustics, as well as electrics.

With the exception of the fretboard, my favorite flat-top acoustic is made completely out of Mahogany. The tone, volume and response on that thing is amazing.

When I think of all the great Mahogany acoustics Gibson has put out...think of Robert Johnson's guitar! Ah screw it, what do '80s hair bands know about acoustic guitars anyway?!

Ah damn, now my head hurts! :eek:
 
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hey you guys are really super! its tough to find guitars of all these different types to play as I live in a low population density area but I will make a trip to the guitar shop to try em all out. Good info here for me. Thanks
BluesRock is right, i'm going to be getting a seagull.
 
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