Alder wood batches in pre cbs
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Chistopher
malapterurus electricus tonewood instigator
Send these to the dmv and maybe they'll let you park in disabled parking spots
GilmourD
Burritotoneologist
While I don't disagree with the point you're trying to make, because I do know what you're talking about, not everybody else does. Telling somebody to Google your argument is really lame.
JMP/HBE
Well-known member
Its your responsibility to educate yourself not mine dingus.
Ok the be all end all.
We can have a guitar showdown.
We will have a master luthier assemble two stratocasters. Same allparts neck, same tuners, same bridge and saddles, same springs and claw. Same creme de la creme pickups, same pots and caps tested for identical values, all wire inside measured to exact same length. Same exact setups verbatim.
Only differance one body made of 2 piece alder finished in nitro one of plywood finished in poly.
Then 10 guitarists blindfolded can play and rate thier favorite.
NOW....who gives a shit enough to foot the bill..?????( not me)
We can have a guitar showdown.
We will have a master luthier assemble two stratocasters. Same allparts neck, same tuners, same bridge and saddles, same springs and claw. Same creme de la creme pickups, same pots and caps tested for identical values, all wire inside measured to exact same length. Same exact setups verbatim.
Only differance one body made of 2 piece alder finished in nitro one of plywood finished in poly.
Then 10 guitarists blindfolded can play and rate thier favorite.
NOW....who gives a shit enough to foot the bill..?????( not me)
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ehdwuld
A Ficus
I think Rob Chapman and Lee Anderton di that with Chapman guitars on one of their videosOk the be all end all.
We can have a guitar showdown.
We will have a master luthier assemble two stratocasters. Same allparts neck, same tuners, same bridge and saddles, same springs and claw. Same creme de la creme pickups, same pots and caps tested for identical values, all wire inside measured to exact same length. Same exact setups verbatim.
Only differance one body made of 2 piece alder finished in nitro one of plywood finished in poly.
Then 10 guitarists blindfolded can play and rate thier favorite.
NOW....who gives a shit enough to foot the bill..?????( not me)
Warmoth has contrasted necks in one video
Pickup angles is another
Mahogany vs maple vs roasted maple.....
There are tons of shoot outs
In the room they probably sound much different
But on the video, YT, I can't hear it
I think most Gibson and Fender have the pickups suspended in plastic anyways
The neck videos from Warmoth seemed to make a much greater difference in tone
To me
Not fretboard
Not body construction
Again in the room, a large explorer style body would probably sound much different than a dinky style
But on the video ,YT, and in a mix
You would be hard pressed to pick one over another
Chistopher
malapterurus electricus tonewood instigator
The problem with those videos is everyone of them, even discounting that we can't hear them in the room. The best one I saw made sure that everything was the same down to bypassing the pots to make sure electrical tolerances didn't play into things and measuring pickup height with calipers. Then they left their voice mic on (which was a room mic), which was loud enough to pick up string noise
The best way to do it, which gets rid of all other sources of meaningful variation in my opinion, would be to only use a single guitar. Tune it, record a DI track, drive no less than 1 lbs (0.0714 stone for Europeans) drywall nails through it, tune, record another DI track. Generate wave forms of both DI tracks, reamp them both in different contexts and gain levels. Post results as lossless files.
The DI part is important if you want to be scientific, but it still has it's own flaws, especially in extreme cases. My ES-175 sounds really great in the room at conversation volume. However, you send it FOH it sounds very thin for a Jazz box. You put a mic on it and it fixes the problem. My point being, a DI is more scientific, especially if you want to reamp the tracks in your own living room, but even the slight acoustic volume of the guitar in the room is part of the experience of playing guitar
ehdwuld
A Ficus
Darrell Brawn did one where it recorded a section and cut sections off the guitar and recorded again
The room mic has compression that smooths out low and high sounds
This can mask room noise
In one video I made , the camera mic blended all the pickups to sound the same
But I was literally in the room and one guitar was at least twice the volume
In the room as any of the other 6 or so
The room mic has compression that smooths out low and high sounds
This can mask room noise
In one video I made , the camera mic blended all the pickups to sound the same
But I was literally in the room and one guitar was at least twice the volume
In the room as any of the other 6 or so
Ain't that just the way
Twenty minutes of yapping about how these are the greatest guitars ever made interspersed with no more than 5 minutes of playing the most generic music any pair of hands could coax out of any six strings.
I understand they are historic, but to be honest I think I'd rather have a mid tier HSS Ibanez than try to wrestle my hands around a baseball bat neck
JMP/HBE
Well-known member
My first car was a 1966' SS 396 Chevelle i paid $500 bucks at the age of 16.
Id like another cept now they go for $60,000 to $100,00+ that aint happening.
I already have my forever LPC. I'll be dead in another 10 to 15 yrs. I can say i had "the one."
People can believe whtever they want. Im not here to change minds.
Tone is subjective like hair color & titty size.
A 6 figure guitar is a liability more than an asset. So is a $100K car. YMMV
GilmourD
Burritotoneologist
All I'm saying is that you made a point, didn't explain it, and told us to google it without giving anybody a jumping off point from which to even start their own research.
To most that don't know what you're talking about (of which this dingus, as you put it, is not included, since I said I do know what you're talking about) that infers that you're either pulling something out of an orifice from which one should not pull things for public posting or just straight up trolling.
Now, since you didn't provide any supporting information, I will.
The point JMP/HBE is trying to make is that there was a point historically when mass production of guitars began that the common woods used were growing in a plentiful manner, with large sources of such trees that had yet to be harvested for future TGP debates. However, since that time, a lot of these forests have been decimated and efforts to replenish them have yielded younger trees which less mature wood, which isn't quite the same. Whether this wood is worse or actually better isn't the debate here, but rather that it is different.
While I'm not an advocate for using Wikipedia as a first-party source, a well-written Wikipedia article is usually well-cited and has lots of sources, which that one has.
JMP/HBE
Well-known member
lengthy post is lengthy. Try telling people to get a vaccine cuz their life depends on it and see where that goes.
Then try to spent [hours] of pointless debate about which guitar does what.
Dude i have a life.
Only person im obligated to do anything for is my wife and you ain't her.
Today isn't your day. Tomorrow ain't looking so good either.
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