Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

[Sludgenutz]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

Sir Jack, what tone are you looking for when you say "heavier Soundgarden"? What songs?

Heavier Soundgarden to me sounds like the song "Fourth of July". It is downtuned, dark, and brooding.

 

[34029324079]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

for "Fourth of July" tone you could just go with one of the usual suspects instead of fender: sunn model t (need pedal), marshall jcm800, orange, matamp, or blackface fender bassman (need pedal).

 

[some_dude]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

Guys, i need your help again !

Except for the "new" SuperSonic, what are the other Hi-Gain amps from Fender, (new or discont.) that will be suitable for *Stoner Rock ?

Any Fender with a fuzz box in front of it. Otherwise you're waisting your time.

*think a heavier Soundgarden

Soundgarden got their heaviest tones out of a Dual Rectifier.

Oh, and if you can point me into the direction of some clips, that would be fantastic :smokin:

I am also NOT looking for that KORN-type Mesa sounds - NO THANX :blackeye:

Buy/Download Crowbar's Sonic Excess in its Purest Form. That's SGs into Dual Rectifiers... and it sounds nothing like Korn.

Also, Soundgarden's Superunknown is a Guild SG looking thing into a Dual Rectifier... it also sounds nothing like Korn.

 

[JB_From_Hell]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

The guitar tones on Korn's first album would be pretty good for stoner.... super thick, fuzzy, warm sounding.

 

[Sludgenutz]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

I just figure, get a Mesa and move on. Mesa didn't get to be a huge corp. by selling niche products that would somehow be cult favorites twenty years into the future. Mesa has a far larger palette of tones than the Korn sounding stuff.

When I back off the drive of my less than famous model Mesa, I hear Fender in there! I got around to updating my tone 18 months ago, and decided no more drive pedals will be allowed for my basic tone. I did buy a fuzz, but as far as drive, getting a Mesa is like getting a Fender with an all-tube overdrive installed at the factory. This alone can save hundreds of dollars, and hundreds of hours fretting over tone.

Apologies to Sir Jack if this off topic, and not germaine to the thrust, and original intent of the thread.

 

[Fresno Bob]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

Any Fender with a fuzz box in front of it. Otherwise you're waisting your time.

+1. Fenders offer the extra headroom. I wouldn't really look at getting a Fender to naturally overdrive for those types of tones. If anything, It'd be for a loud clean sound, colored and driven by the pedals in front of it.

Not saying thats a bad thing though. That's actually what I'm looking at doing myself, but with a Hiwatt.

 

[Empty Pockets]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

My Fender Bassman is a 68 and a Silverface and it gets pretty good stoner rock tone in my opinion. www.myspace.com/princesstoadstool666 if you want to hear it plugged into my Sunn 4x12. Hit it with my Double Muff pedal and it screams.

Anybody at the www.stonerrock.com forum will tell you that if you get a tube amp, crank it up, and hit it with a fuzz pedal, you'll probably be okay.

On that note, for great stoner tone, i'd look at Bassman heads, the Supersonic, or some other cool cheap amps like Laney AOR's or an Ampeg V4 like the guy from Queens of the Stone Age uses. If you could get enough money for an Orange or an old Matamp you'd be the stoner rock poster child but honestly, the stoner sound just requires hot tubes and bassy fuzz.

-X

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

Sir Jack, what tone are you looking for when you say "heavier Soundgarden"? What songs?

Heavier Soundgarden to me sounds like the song "Fourth of July". It is downtuned, dark, and brooding.

. . . yup, that is the so called ball-park tone.

I also meant by a, "heavier-Soundgarden": "like Soundgarden, but not always referring to their sig tone", does this make sence at all ?

Basically a slower sludgier Garden-like tone !

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

My Fender Bassman is a 68 and a Silverface and it gets pretty good stoner rock tone in my opinion. www.myspace.com/princesstoadstool666 if you want to hear it plugged into my Sunn 4x12. Hit it with my Double Muff pedal and it screams.

Anybody at the www.stonerrock.com forum will tell you that if you get a tube amp, crank it up, and hit it with a fuzz pedal, you'll probably be okay.

On that note, for great stoner tone, i'd look at Bassman heads, the Supersonic, or some other cool cheap amps like Laney AOR's or an Ampeg V4 like the guy from Queens of the Stone Age uses. If you could get enough money for an Orange or an old Matamp you'd be the stoner rock poster child but honestly, the stoner sound just requires hot tubes and bassy fuzz.

-X

Hey, i LOVE your tone on, "Breathin' Whiskey" . . .


. . . what was your rig like for that tone ?

PU's ?
FX ? . . . Double Muff ???
Amp ? . . . Sunn O))) ???

. . . very cool :smokin:

I like what you do !

 

[tubeman87]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

I wouldn't call it "hi gain" but it does have a great heavy sound to it but the Prosonic might be what your looking for I have the combo and it works great, here are her specs.

1996-Present Prosonic


Prosonic (Red Snakeskin Covering)


Prosonic (non-original white volume knobs)
Year:
1996-Present
Model:
Prosonic
Circuit:
?
Config:
Head, Combo
Control Panel:
Black, forward facing w/ white screened labels, controls numbered 1-10
Front Conrol Layout:
In, In, Channel Sw, Vol, Gain 1, Gain 2, Treb, Bass, Mid, Master, Reverb - Pilot Lamp
Rear Conrol Layout:
Rectifier Sw, Power Sw, Standby Sw, Ex. Speaker Jack, Footswitch
Knobs:
Black pointer
Cabinet:
18½" x 24" x 10½" (47 x 61 x 26.7 cm)
Cab Covering:
Snakeskin, Red, Sea-foam green lizard skin, and black Tolex
Cab Hardware:
Black strap handle or black leather handle w/ footman loops, chassis straps, corner protectors, glides
Grille:
Silver sparkle grille cloth
Logo:
Grille mounted, flat, chrome & black script "Fender" w/ tail
Weight:
54 lbs. (24.5 Kg)
Speakers/Load:
Combo: 2 x 10"/4 ohms (8 ohms each in parallel)
Speaker Model:
Celestion
Effects:
Reverb, Channel Switching
Output:
SS Rect/AB: 60 Watts
Tube Rect/AB: 50 Watts
Tube Rect/A: 30 Watts
Preamp:
?
Power:
2 x 5881
Bias:
Fixed Bias
Rectifier:
Class A/5AR4, Class AB/5AR4, Class AB/Solid State (switchable)
Phase Inverter:
?
Other:
Reverb Driver: ?
Reverb Recovery: ?
Comments:
The Prosonic includes a switch for changing the operation class of the amplifier. (see Rectifier)



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[SirJackdeFuzz]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

I wouldn't call it "hi gain" but it does have a great heavy sound to it but the Prosonic might be what your looking for I have the combo and it works great, here are her specs.

1996-Present Prosonic


Prosonic (Red Snakeskin Covering)

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Fantastic - i se the Prosonic is Valve rectified (a good thing IMHO).

How is that valve sag when hitting a power chord ?

I LOVE VALVE SAG !

Thanx for the info !

 

[eaeolian]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

I spent a couple of hours playing with a SuperSonic. Not a bad amp at all, although not in Mesa's class in the high gain department.

 

[drew_half_empty]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

ab165 bassman

 

[tone?]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

After reading the title of this thread i have one question:

What the heck is stoner rock????!

I used to get stoned and listen to Ozzy is that considered stoner rock?

 

[jerryjg]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

You should get a late 90's Sunn-Fender Model T. They have Overdrive circuitsa nd they are still pretty reasonble on ebay. The most respected amp for Stoners is Sunn. Kid rocks guitarist played a now discontinued Fender-Sunn model T. I think they are supposed to be on the icepicky side tho.

 

[34029324079]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

You should get a late 90's Sunn-Fender Model T. They have Overdrive circuitsa nd they are still pretty reasonble on ebay. The most respected amp for Stoners is Sunn. Kid rocks guitarist played a now discontinued Fender-Sunn model T. I think they are supposed to be on the icepicky side tho.

see thats what Im talking about. model t. the classics. of course thats if you dont pick the peavey vtm 120 for the soundgarden vibe like you said you probably gonna get :dance:

 

[Sludgenutz]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

After reading the title of this thread i have one question:

What the heck is stoner rock????!

I used to get stoned and listen to Ozzy is that considered stoner rock?

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: No, my friend. I did that too! Ozzy went solo, and had his thing going on after he exited Sabbath, but this was not stoner rock. Stoner rock covers a span of many decades, and is wide in its range. Early Black Sabbath (the first four albums) is the ultimate stoner rock touchstone. The music is generally characterized by thick guitar tones using SG's and Les Pauls...and not played super fast, or super technically for the most part. The genre generally has bucked the thin/crispy/cranked Marshall tone of the 1980's, in favor of heavy, thumpy, palm muted tones of amp makers like Sunn, Matamp, Orange, Ampeg, and Mesa.

To my mind, the era of "hair metal" from the 1980's was an anomaly, and got lots of play, which does not piss me off in the least. The hair metal era rapidly became a parody of itself, although some really good gems of music came out of it. I get a kick out seeing all the bombastic techno-divebombing guitar pyrotechnics and spandex tights of that era.

Stoner is not about face paint, hair spray, or trying to impress the hot cheerleader chick that lived on the block when you were a kid. It is more about finding the your next joint, can of beer, tube of airplane glue, or just wanting to disappear for a while. The losers who smoked cigarettes, while looking at their shoes among their friends outside the fence of the school characterize in some ways the stoner music genre. It is not about being "flashy" or popular.

BTW, I don't smoke marijuana or cigarettes, and I don't huff either. It is about the vibe, not the recreational diversions.:13:

 

[some_dude]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

Basically a slower sludgier Garden-like tone !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRWV32kSkFs

Back then he was using a Rat into a Plexi if I remember correctly, though he now uses a Sunn beta Lead and Beta Bass head or a pair of JCM 800s.

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

After reading the title of this thread i have one question:

What the heck is stoner rock????!

I used to get stoned and listen to Ozzy is that considered stoner rock?

Pretty much :laugh2:


. . . click on 'Stonerrock.com', to see/hear/learn/listen to some great stuff !

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

Re: Any Hi-Gain Fender amps for Stoner Rock ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRWV32kSkFs

Back then he was using a Rat into a Plexi if I remember correctly, though he now uses a Sunn beta Lead and Beta Bass head or a pair of JCM 800s.

. . . there we go Daisy - that type of feel/tone/vibe is getting VERY close to the sound in my head ! :smokin:


Will a Bassman LTD (with FX) get me close ?