Anyone tried 250k volume with ......

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right?

I find that "alot" of the 250k pots don't read that and they read low. ;o(

You know - the "actual" pot value is a great point. That is a real possibility - significant variance in the actual value….
 
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Does anyone know of any good (preferably free) software for doing a simple frequency analysis of audio input so that I can profile the responses of some pickups and different pot and cap values?
 
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Does anyone know of any good (preferably free) software for doing a simple frequency analysis of audio input so that I can profile the responses of some pickups and different pot and cap values?

Yes. Your ears. :lmao:
 
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You really need to play more and post less Drex! :wink:

Why would someone who would say such a thing be on this forum in the first place? Your degree of cork sniffery is OK but mine isn't?

I see lots of cap/pickup frequency comparison charts on Google image searches, I'd just like to know how people are making them.
 
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I don't know why this didn't occur to me sooner, but I found a YouTube video comparing 250k and 500k pots on strat pickups http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhYYwaeKPyA as well as this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLeKuwT0470 , because I got to thinking that perhaps certain pickups that get high praise would only get that praise in the context of 250k pots and that perhaps a 500k pot removed it from what Lollar, Fralin or Seymour Duncan had intended it to sound like, but after watching the videos, my interest in 250k pots has diminished. The 500k pots make for a richer breakup in the overdrive and all around sound more alive. Does a 250k pot strat sound dead? Jimmy Hendrix says no, but I do think you have to work harder at it and ask more of your pedals and amps.

Knowing my Antigua Strat had mexican A5 pickups with 5.7k - 6k resistance I figured it would be on the bright side and left in the 250k stock pots, but the truth is the highs were no easier to tame in terms of mix, because they're not so different as to change the EQ equation on your amp, or even on the mixing board.

I actually believe after swapping guitars around that the 500k pot affords you more control over the trebles by revealing more original tone from the guitar, because you can turn the treble down just as much, but on account of the extra high frequency detail is coming out of the guitar, the trebles that do remain sound richer with the 500k than with the 250k pot. In that respect, I believe the 250k pot is more shrill in practice if not in theory.
 
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That's pretty bizarre. Everyone else hears them as warmer.

The distinction is in the fact that 'shrill' and 'treble' are not one and the same. IMO amp treble is more liable to become shrill than guitar derived treble. And given the "me too" sheep like mentality that's pervasive in attitudes towards guitar gear, I take what "everyone" thinks with a bag of salt.
 
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The distinction is in the fact that 'shrill' and 'treble' are not one and the same. IMO amp treble is more liable to become shrill than guitar derived treble. And given the "me too" sheep like mentality that's pervasive in attitudes towards guitar gear, I take what "everyone" thinks with a bag of salt.

Lew swears that it throws a blanket over the tone and kills the high-end. I don't think it's quite that drastic (hence the knock-down, drag-out fight that raged here), but as a prolific 250K user, I've never heard anything shrill from mine.
 
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Lew swears that it throws a blanket over the tone and kills the high-end. I don't think it's quite that drastic (hence the knock-down, drag-out fight that raged here), but as a prolific 250K user, I've never heard anything shrill from mine.

Did you watch the videos? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhYYwaeKPyA You might say the 500k is "shrill" when you see the side by side, but to my ears the 500k is clearer and more present (the inverse of "blanket over the tone"). Especially pay attention to the distorted half of the clip, the 250k makes the breakup sound more tame, compressed, uniform, I'll be kind ans say "smooth", while the 500k sounds more dynamic, less uniform in the breakup and all around louder.

How I can say the 250k is more shrill is because since the 250k "gives away" highs, if I want those highs back I have to turn up the treble on my amp, but the problem is the amp won't only increase those trebles that were lost, it will boost everything from 2K Hz on up, the result is that you don't get back just the sweet stuff, you get an earful of all a much broader range, and that is what I found to be more readily ear piercing when I was switching out my new 250k pot equipped strat and another with a 500k volume pot.
 
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Lew swears that it throws a blanket over the tone and kills the high-end. I don't think it's quite that drastic (hence the knock-down, drag-out fight that raged here), but as a prolific 250K user, I've never heard anything shrill from mine.

I don't swear a lot. I don't swear a little either but I don't swear a lot.

Anyway, pots were not really what that discussion was about.

Watch this to the end:

 
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How I can say the 250k is more shrill is because since the 250k "gives away" highs, if I want those highs back I have to turn up the treble on my amp, but the problem is the amp won't only increase those trebles that were lost, it will boost everything from 2K Hz on up, the result is that you don't get back just the sweet stuff, you get an earful of all a much broader range.

That's not 250K's doing it, it's what you're doing down the signal path to adjust for it. If you have to add what amounts to too-much-treble at the amp, you probably shouldn't have put in a 250K. With 250K's, I also use 9 gauge strings and a pick with pointed, beveled edges. These add some high-end and I still get a sharp, biting sound from my bridge PU's without dialing in an overabundance of treble at the amp. If your using heavy strings and a normal pick, you're going to sound a lot darker than I do. Those are pieces of the puzzle that get overlooked.

Where I want to get a lot of treble is in my neck HB's. I can't stand a warm, muffled neck PU without any bite. Just too smooth and mellow for me. I use assorted trickery (spin-a-split, hybrid coils, and/or 1-meg pots) to boost treble there and get my tones closer to the bridge PU's. I get both PU's to fall in what I consider to be an acceptable range, with neither one too bright or too warm. I don't care what slot a PU is in, it has to be very usable in rhythm and lead.

Lew: I bet one of them mentioned 250K pots and that started the whole thing. But seriously Lew, we have a lot in common, I really do like you and think you know a lot about guitars and music. We have different views on a few minor things, and I don't want to get in arguments over those. Neither one of us comes out of it looking too good. Maybe we can both work on toning down things a bit.
 
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That's not 250K's doing it, it's what you're doing down the signal path to adjust for it. If you have to add what amounts to too-much-treble at the amp, you probably shouldn't have put in a 250K. With 250K's, I also use 9 gauge strings and a pick with pointed, beveled edges. These add some high-end and I still get a sharp, biting sound from my bridge PU's without dialing in an overabundance of treble at the amp. If your using heavy strings and a normal pick, you're going to sound a lot darker than I do. Those are pieces of the puzzle that get overlooked.

Where I want to get a lot of treble is in my neck HB's. I can't stand a warm, muffled neck PU without any bite. Just too smooth and mellow for me. I use assorted trickery (spin-a-split, hybrid coils, and/or 1-meg pots) to boost treble there and get my tones closer to the bridge PU's. I get both PU's to fall in what I consider to be an acceptable range, with neither one too bright or too warm. I don't care what slot a PU is in, it has to be very usable in rhythm and lead.

Lew: I bet one of them mentioned 250K pots and that started the whole thing. But seriously Lew, we have a lot in common, I really do like you and think you know a lot about guitars and music. We have different views on a few minor things, and I don't want to get in arguments over those. Neither one of us comes out of it looking too good. Maybe we can both work on toning down things a bit.

You both need to play nice or you'll be grounded for a week! It's a forum guys..I'd bet this wouldn't be an issue if you were face to face!:dance:
 
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But seriously Lew, we have a lot in common, I really do like you and think you know a lot about guitars and music. We have different views on a few minor things, and I don't want to get in arguments over those. Neither one of us comes out of it looking too good. Maybe we can both work on toning down things a bit.

Please, explain how this isn't 'playing nice'? The rest of the post was very calm and factual. You've got to read these before you automatically hammer out a response.
 
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