APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

[Aceman]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

+1. Next to Seth's, my favorite Duncan PAF-type PU. Bridge and neck are excellent.

That's fascinating Rick. I remember back when you used to seriously disagree with the use of ANY A2 magnet in the neck of a guitar. What exactly is it that changed your mind?

At the time you were saying that no guitar should have an A2 magnet pickup in the neck, were you just making that up? Or was it something you read somewhere and were just repeating?

Anyway, now it seems you think the A2P is the cat's meow. What changed your mind?

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

I dont get the Gibson bashing here. Gibson is a "GUITAR" maker Seymour duncan is a "PICKUP" maker. Sure gibson makes some pickups but that isnt their focus. No one bashes fenders cause the fat 50's arent the be all end all of strat pups.

Along the way Gibson has pushed out a few cool models. The original dirty fingers is cool duncan has nothing like it. Even the 500T is unique and does something that no duncan does. Neither are super versatile but they fill certain niches. There is a rawness and a grit to the 500T that works well for punk and looser styles of metal.

I know I might take some heat for this but I have always been a fan of the 490R and the 498T in a good Les Paul.

 

[Uncle Fred]

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I know I might take some heat for this but I have always been a fan of the 490R and the 498T in a good Les Paul.

I always thought they rocked, all they needed was a 500k in the volumes to fix them. Not far off from my 59 JB combo

 

[AlexR]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

That's fascinating Rick. I remember back when you used to seriously disagree with the use of ANY A2 magnet in the neck of a guitar. What exactly is it that changed your mind?

At the time you were saying that no guitar should have an A2 magnet pickup in the neck, were you just making that up? Or was it something you read somewhere and were just repeating?

Anyway, now it seems you think the A2P is the cat's meow. What changed your mind?

Well, the 490R is an A2 neck pickup, and is pretty bad in stock form. Maybe with his rig several other A2's in the neck didn't agree. And then he tried a Seth and it all changed due to a better wind.

You know it is possible for people to have epiphanic moments with gear when trying something new.

 

[lordraptor1]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

Looks like you've wasted six months of your life that you'll never ever get back...

not really i was building the guitar longer than that ( it is a complete gound up build). in regards to the comments regarding sd making what the artist used i do NOT disagree with that what i am having the issue with is that when slash designed those pups he did so around his appetite sound which as far as i can tell was a "vintage" les paul with narroe bridge spacing.

i prefer the poles to be centered under the strings because of the strings relationship to the poles magnetic field.

now in regards to the covers, all well in good sure i can put covers on but here is the thing, i already have a set of chrome covered epi pups in it that actually sound really good that are installed on it now, but i also have 2 other sets of handwound pups here one with gold covers and one with gold covers. the reason behind the slash pups was PARTLY for the slash sound ( which my 2013 epi les paul can achieve with the stock pups on it when ran through my old VTM120 head and matching 412-ms cab with a few tweaks on the amps knobs LOL) but i also wanted that slash logo on the back of the pups. now i can order som "sfc" from guitar center with the chrome covers and the right pole spacing for my application BUT the price would be 223.95 for a "true" slash pup with logo and one correct for my application without logo but IMHO 223.95 in that instance is BS because it may be wired like a slash pup there is no proof it is a slash pup without that logo ( for all i know sd would try to slip a plastic spacer in there as well instead of the wood spacer.

i really dont have to worry about it though because i decided to just not waste the money on any SD pups and instead will stick to my normal pup selections, sd just doesnt have what I want that suits my needs ( they usually dont) and i cant justify buying SD products that dont suit my particular needs and changing my tailpiece out is NOT an option since the ground up build was done for a specific look LOL.

 

[Uncle Fred]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

not really i was building the guitar longer than that ( it is a complete gound up build). in regards to the comments regarding sd making what the artist used i do NOT disagree with that what i am having the issue with is that when slash designed those pups he did so around his appetite sound which as far as i can tell was a "vintage" les paul with narroe bridge spacing.

i prefer the poles to be centered under the strings because of the strings relationship to the poles magnetic field.

now in regards to the covers, all well in good sure i can put covers on but here is the thing, i already have a set of chrome covered epi pups in it that actually sound really good that are installed on it now, but i also have 2 other sets of handwound pups here one with gold covers and one with gold covers. the reason behind the slash pups was PARTLY for the slash sound ( which my 2013 epi les paul can achieve with the stock pups on it when ran through my old VTM120 head and matching 412-ms cab with a few tweaks on the amps knobs LOL) but i also wanted that slash logo on the back of the pups. now i can order som "sfc" from guitar center with the chrome covers and the right pole spacing for my application BUT the price would be 223.95 for a "true" slash pup with logo and one correct for my application without logo but IMHO 223.95 in that instance is BS because it may be wired like a slash pup there is no proof it is a slash pup without that logo ( for all i know sd would try to slip a plastic spacer in there as well instead of the wood spacer.

i really dont have to worry about it though because i decided to just not waste the money on any SD pups and instead will stick to my normal pup selections, sd just doesnt have what I want that suits my needs ( they usually dont) and i cant justify buying SD products that dont suit my particular needs and changing my tailpiece out is NOT an option since the ground up build was done for a specific look LOL.

Wow... I wondered who they actually sold that stuff to on ebay. Now I know. Somehow Im sort of glad your not going to put Duncans in it.

 

[AlexR]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

The key point here is you don't like the pickup's sound, and the spacing has nothing whatsoever to do with this.......and the true slash pickup in the A2pro just so you know.

Not quite sure where you're going with that middle paragraph.....rampant paranoia perhaps

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

http://stores.ebay.com/punchdrunk?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
complete ground up build. heh.

the ground up build was done for a specific look LOL.

if "LOL" was the specific look you were going for then you definitely achieved it.

 

[Darg1911]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

I read the entire post and follow-up reply. lordraptor1 clearly has a bias against SD. Whatever his reasoning, that's fine. But this was an agenda driven post, pure and simple.

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"BUT the price would be 223.95 for a "true" slash pup with logo and one correct for my application without logo but IMHO 223.95 in that instance is BS because it may be wired like a slash pup there is no proof it is a slash pup without that logo ( for all i know sd would try to slip a plastic spacer in there as well instead of the wood spacer.

"sd just doesnt have what I want that suits my needs ( they usually dont)".

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You are trolling, lordraptor.
I think everyone see's through you or eventually will if you keep on posting in this thread. You don't like SD products, don't buy them. Simple.

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

I read the entire post and follow-up reply. lordraptor1 clearly has a bias against SD. Whatever his reasoning, that's fine. But this was an agenda driven post, pure and simple.


You are trolling, lordraptor.
I think everyone see's through you or eventually will if you keep on posting in this thread. You don't like SD products, don't buy them. Simple.

+1 to this. Trolling is against the forum rules now too. This is a prime example of why that can be a good thing.

Really brilliant to come to a SD forum with that guitar taking shots against SD though.

 

[Uncle Fred]

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+1 to this. Trolling is against the forum rules now too. This is a prime example of why that can be a good thing.

Really brilliant to come to a SD forum with that guitar taking shots against SD though.

What is trolling?

 

[Archer250]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

That's the point. Don't buy something that won't suit your needs.

 

[Darg1911]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

What is trolling?

Dragging bait behind a boat

It's basically posting BS with no purpose other than to stir the pot.

 

[Nostalgic Distortion]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

not really i was building the guitar longer than that ( it is a complete gound up build). in regards to the comments regarding sd making what the artist used i do NOT disagree with that what i am having the issue with is that when slash designed those pups he did so around his appetite sound which as far as i can tell was a "vintage" les paul with narroe bridge spacing.

i prefer the poles to be centered under the strings because of the strings relationship to the poles magnetic field.

now in regards to the covers, all well in good sure i can put covers on but here is the thing, i already have a set of chrome covered epi pups in it that actually sound really good that are installed on it now, but i also have 2 other sets of handwound pups here one with gold covers and one with gold covers. the reason behind the slash pups was PARTLY for the slash sound ( which my 2013 epi les paul can achieve with the stock pups on it when ran through my old VTM120 head and matching 412-ms cab with a few tweaks on the amps knobs LOL) but i also wanted that slash logo on the back of the pups. now i can order som "sfc" from guitar center with the chrome covers and the right pole spacing for my application BUT the price would be 223.95 for a "true" slash pup with logo and one correct for my application without logo but IMHO 223.95 in that instance is BS because it may be wired like a slash pup there is no proof it is a slash pup without that logo ( for all i know sd would try to slip a plastic spacer in there as well instead of the wood spacer.

i really dont have to worry about it though because i decided to just not waste the money on any SD pups and instead will stick to my normal pup selections, sd just doesnt have what I want that suits my needs ( they usually dont) and i cant justify buying SD products that dont suit my particular needs and changing my tailpiece out is NOT an option since the ground up build was done for a specific look LOL.

I honestly don't know what to say, good job, you put $200 worth of skulls on a $100 guitar??? Why would you come to the Duncan forum & spew out venomous comments about their products? To me that's like being invited to someone's house for dinner and taking a dump on the table? Perhaps he's not trolling, maybe he's just a troll in general? Duncan has an excellent customer service department, they'll be happy to listen to your comments and maybe Seymour will personally wind you the perfect pickups for that super classy fiddle you got there? Oh, wait, that's right, you just shat on his kitchen table!!!:28:

 

[Uncle Fred]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

+1 to this. Trolling is against the forum rules now too. This is a prime example of why that can be a good thing.

Really brilliant to come to a SD forum with that guitar taking shots against SD though.

Dragging bait behind a boat


It's basically posting BS with no purpose other than to stir the pot.

Ok that makes sense I always heard it never knew.

 

[Uncle Fred]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

+1 to this. Trolling is against the forum rules now too. This is a prime example of why that can be a good thing.

Really brilliant to come to a SD forum with that guitar taking shots against SD though.

Dragging bait behind a boat

It's basically posting BS with no purpose other than to stir the pot.

Thanks

 

[El Supremo]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

With the stock magnets, I think A2Ps sound more complex and 'vintage' than '59's.

Agree with you there. The '59 sounds pretty modern to my ears in the way it handles gain and the overall more straight forward sound. It also has this bright top end and big bass that can be boomy and thin at the same time in some guitars. Personally dig the WLH set a lot more as far as A5 Pafs go.

 

[blueman335]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

That's fascinating Rick. I remember back when you used to seriously disagree with the use of ANY A2 magnet in the neck of a guitar. What exactly is it that changed your mind?

At the time you were saying that no guitar should have an A2 magnet pickup in the neck, were you just making that up? Or was it something you read somewhere and were just repeating?

Anyway, now it seems you think the A2P is the cat's meow. What changed your mind?

My introduction to A2's was Gibson '57's and 490's, which sound kind of dull and muddy to my ears, and while PGN's have more clarity, they have a rounded high-end and just not enough bite for my tastes. The 'default' neck HB became '59N's, primarly for the extra treble. I've always had a problem with bright bridges paired with warm necks; never could get along with that, which eventually led me to the concept of mag swapping and joining this site. I took to mag swapping like a duck to water (and corrupted many members along the way)

After reading numerous posts and threads here, I decided I needed to try some more A2 PAF's. All of these people couldn't be wrong. Next were A2P's, Seth's, and BB's. Then I finally heard what I was looking for, and understood the praise these got. They're great PU's. The high-ends had a sharpness to them, the fat mids made them sound huge, and the low ends weren't boomy. Plus all that rich A2 texture! Seymour understands how to wind PU's for A2's to bring out their best, and Gibson got it right by using unbalanced coils.

That's led to the next phase, which was coil swapping, creating my own hybrids. For neck hybrids I combine bridge and neck coils of various PAF's (like a 4.2k and a 3.8K, same model or different model, like a '59B and a '59N, or a Seth bridge and an A2P neck ). A difference in resistance of 5% between coils gives a sharper, single coil edge, and with a 10% difference, I can use a warm magnet (A2 or UOA5) and still get a sharp, cutting high end. That's the magic ticket for me: neck HB with a fat, textured tone and a razor sharp edge. It's to me what PGN's are to you. I've gone thru all of my neck HB's and either made them hybrids, or wired them for spin-a-split. I get unbalanced coils in either case.

 

[Uncle Fred]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

I always pictured a troll under a bridge.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

I always pictured a troll under a bridge.

Only in fairy tales... now they all live on the internet