APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

[Darg1911]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

Again, the OP is entitled to his likes, dislikes and surely his opinion. But this thread was posted as if it were a Seymour Duncan product warning based on facts derived from "research". In reality, all it is, is one guys opinion based on personal preferences and biases. Maybe it's me but most of the OP's follow-up replies read like rambling attempts to further justify the "facts" that never existed in the first place. They are just more opinions and nothing more. Also reads like a good deal of self justification. That's fine, we all self-justify. What we all don't do is try to warn others off of products when we self-justify going with something else (usually a lesser product). I still think there is a good deal of agenda mixed in with all of it as well. Basically, a big dump taken in someone elses front yard.

This thread should probably just die but it lives on. I fully admit to being part of that problem.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

i had a set of used regular spaced PAF in there before that i got from an old music store that was closing up shop after 35+ years in business before i put the epi pups in it, sadly one day i plugged it in and the PAF pups failed and i have had a few guitars with normal spaced bridge pups on trem style guitars and it did sound a little different from my epi lp did but with the epi pups on my buld and the stockers in my epi lp i can tell no difference if i have both sets in both guitars set to identical pup and pole piece hieghts and i can say from 5 feet away it sure looked wierd with the pole pieces not being centered ( as a side note i am one of those people that put photoetch brass pieces (including hinges and padlocks) on model tanks that are 1/35th scale which to put that scale in perspective think WWII panther tank in a model the size of or a little bigger than your fist so i would DEFINATLEY notice).

and as per seymour duncan there is NO slash trembucker, they say they can wind a trem bucker to slash specs but the TB will NOT have a slash logo, somethign to do with the agreement made with slash to make the pups based on his appetite lp and to me that seems lame since not everyone has or can afford a vintage which is what his appetite les paul is and in my opinion it isnt a slash pup if there is no slash logo and why by a set that essentially has a sig and a plain ( better to save cash and just buy plains in the first place LOL).

basicall it is drilled into my head centered in the magnetic field is OPTIMAL and looks right while a little offset is not and looks hokey. if you dont have an issue with offset pole spacing more power to you but my opinion is that normal pole spacking isnt optimal for a modern LP

Wait... You're comparing F-spaced pickups in a guitar equipped with a trem to an Epiphone Les Paul? There's a million other reasons they're going to sound different.

To my knowledge, Gibson's bridge spacing hasn't changed recently. Vintage ABR-1 string spread is 51.99mm The more modern Nashville bridge is actually slightly narrower at 51.56mm string spread.

They just decided to make the bridge pickups wider.

So, in other words, by your logic the Slash pickups wouldn't work in a 1959 Les Paul either and actually work slightly better with modern bridges.

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

Has it escaped everybody's attention that the OP has based his opinion on building RC cars, and not actually tried out the pickups he is describing?

The internet is an inexhaustible well of misinformation.

 

[lordraptor1]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

Has it escaped everybody's attention that the OP has based his opinion on building RC cars, and not actually tried out the pickups he is describing?

The internet is an inexhaustible well of misinformation.

no i havent tried them and my comment is based on people i have talked to all over the place who have tried them and didnt like them and the topic was more of a grabber so i could actually get better informed but i see all that did was bring out the trolls.

with that having been said actually you apparently dont understand what i said so let me take it to a level more your speed ( level of a 3 year old sound about right).

optimal placement of strings is CENTERED IN MAGNETIC FIELD ( same as with an electric motor) and the pole spaces on the slash set for the bridge would be slightly off in a MODERN gibson or epiphone les paul and NOT be optimally placed center in teh magnetic field of the pole pieces( SD themselves told me modern les pauls would use a trembucker) which the slash set does NOT have.

this particular issue is moot now anyway because i changed the bridge and tailpiece to a vintage style to line up with a slash set. only thing i am still tryign to find out is if the covered ( in store customs as SD called them) would have the slash logo on both pups or just the neck.

 

[Darg1911]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

You are the troll lordraptor1. As I stated, you took a dump on a SD product on a SD forum. And then it turns out that you haven't even personally used that product. You didn't want to become "informed". That's a crock of BS. You wanted to stir the pot. Now you don't like the result ...

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

i havent tried them

/end thread

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

optimal placement of strings is CENTERED IN MAGNETIC FIELD ( same as with an electric motor) and the pole spaces on the slash set for the bridge would be slightly off in a MODERN gibson or epiphone les paul and NOT be optimally placed center in teh magnetic field of the pole pieces( SD themselves told me modern les pauls would use a trembucker) which the slash set does NOT have.
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You do know that the magnetic field is generated by a bar magnet underneath not actually the pole pieces right? That even of you remove the pole pieces the magnetic field is still there, it just changes shape with the pole pieces. Its a field! it doesnt beam out directly from the pole piece.

Moreover there is nothing that says the string has to be centered in it. Watch particularly with your neck pick. Pluck the strings hard and you will see the string excursion move the string in wide arcs far beyond the pole pieces. The sound doesnt appear and disappear as it vibrates. Hell you can even bend a string so its off the pole piece and pluck it and you can hear that it still makes sound.

If you want even more technical than that a magnetic field will extend to infinity. And you say optimum is to be in the center of the field. But if it goes to infinity does the center matter? Or do you need to make further qualifications of your statement that include the strength to be at or above a certain level and if so what strength is that? Because like i said before the field is just that it doesnt disappear right off the pole.



You sure didnt post this so you could be better informed, dont give us that malarky. This is your original statement

well i was looking into a set of these slash pickups and after months of research and people stating they really didnt like the sound i can say ( with all my research and a couple other issues) i am going a different route. read below for my reasons:

Thats not the post of someone looking to be better informed. Thats the post of someone who has already made up their mind.

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

no i havent tried them.

That's all we needed to know. Time to close thread.

 

[AlexR]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

no i havent tried them and my comment is based on people i have talked to all over the place who have tried them and didnt like them and the topic was more of a grabber so i could actually get better informed but i see all that did was bring out the trolls.

with that having been said actually you apparently dont understand what i said so let me take it to a level more your speed ( level of a 3 year old sound about right).

optimal placement of strings is CENTERED IN MAGNETIC FIELD ( same as with an electric motor) and the pole spaces on the slash set for the bridge would be slightly off in a MODERN gibson or epiphone les paul and NOT be optimally placed center in teh magnetic field of the pole pieces( SD themselves told me modern les pauls would use a trembucker) which the slash set does NOT have.

this particular issue is moot now anyway because i changed the bridge and tailpiece to a vintage style to line up with a slash set. only thing i am still tryign to find out is if the covered ( in store customs as SD called them) would have the slash logo on both pups or just the neck.

So having not tried them, and supposedly spoken to a 'lot' of people who didn't like the pickups, how did you come to the conclusion that it was the polepieces that was causing the dislike.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

So having not tried them, and supposedly spoken to a 'lot' of people who didn't like the pickups, how did you come to the conclusion that it was the polepieces that was causing the dislike.

AlexR is showing us how to discuss this civilly. Please take this post as an example of how to debate this. If this gets heated and insulting I will close this.

I have to agree, lordraptor. It sounds like you're taking other people's uninformed opinions as gospel. And I say that as somebody who isn't even a fan of Slashtone.

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[allbutromeo]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

I hope this thread is open this weekend when I get my 08 Studio back from it's fret dress/set up job. I'm planning on pulling the APH2's from my 81 Custom and putting them in the Studio. I'll be able to get pics of the Vintage spaced and modern spaced.

 

[allbutromeo]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

As promised here's the pics from before and after swapping the same pair of Slash pups from a 1981 Gibson Les Paul Custom to a 2008 Gibson Les Paul Studio.

1981 Custom


2008 Studio



I don't know if it's me or not, but it seems to me that the pole pieces line up better on the "modern" Les Paul

 

[LtKojak]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

As promised here's the pics from before and after swapping the same pair of Slash pups from a 1981 Gibson Les Paul Custom to a 2008 Gibson Les Paul Studio.

1981 Custom
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2008 Studio
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I don't know if it's me or not, but it seems to me that the pole pieces line up better on the "modern" Les Paul

BOOM!

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

As promised here's the pics from before and after swapping the same pair of Slash pups from a 1981 Gibson Les Paul Custom to a 2008 Gibson Les Paul Studio.

I don't know if it's me or not, but it seems to me that the pole pieces line up better on the "modern" Les Paul

They both look like they line up pretty good with a slight edge to the "modern"

 

[Darg1911]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

They both look like they line up pretty good with a slight edge to the "modern"

Yep, edge to the modern but not dead center on either. So therefore, they must suck in both but especially the 81 with them just being over the outsides of the E and e poles and all. In fact, I don't even have to listen to them to know that they definitely suck bad in that 81.

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

Yep, edge to the modern but not dead center on either. So therefore, they must suck in both but especially the 81 with them just being over the outsides of the E and e poles and all. In fact, I don't even have to listen to them to know that they definitely suck bad in that 81.

So, allbutromeo... I will give you 50 bucks for the 81 since we all know it sucks :biglaugh:

 

[LtKojak]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

Irony never fares well in Forums...

 

[allbutromeo]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

So, allbutromeo... I will give you 50 bucks for the 81 since we all know it sucks :biglaugh:

It also currently has no pickups :doh: . I need to get that custom order in

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

It also currently has no pickups :doh: . I need to get that custom order in

No problem, we can just knock $40 off the price. I'll take it off your hands for 10 bucks.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: APH-2s no good for "modern" les pauls

It also currently has no pickups :doh: . I need to get that custom order in

Making room for those orange '78s?

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