Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
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BigAlTheBird
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Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
brute, so am I (interested in them). Glad this thread calmed down. As a matter of fact, this thread has ignited me wanting to try one out again, but I doubt I have the money to buy one.
Cream, in 10 years you're not gonna be worrying too much about $150.
brute, so am I (interested in them). Glad this thread calmed down. As a matter of fact, this thread has ignited me wanting to try one out again, but I doubt I have the money to buy one.
Cream, in 10 years you're not gonna be worrying too much about $150.
cream123
JustAskinologist
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
haha, yeah. I agree. I could actually sort of justify right now.....but idk. I don't really want anymore guitars. I just want a single channel....versatile amp. and then some effects....a lot of effects.
haha, yeah. I agree. I could actually sort of justify right now.....but idk. I don't really want anymore guitars. I just want a single channel....versatile amp. and then some effects....a lot of effects.
stevie_bees
Cat In The Hatministrator
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
Pop over to the Carl Martin forum and take a nose around. You might find help and info there...
Pop over to the Carl Martin forum and take a nose around. You might find help and info there...
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
Remember you've got a thread talking about spending 1300-1500 on another amp.
Luke
Remember you've got a thread talking about spending 1300-1500 on another amp.
Luke
ParameterMan
New member
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
I have a CM prototype. It's their Rectified OD in a HDB box. I'm impressed, as Rid knows. It's really open, with a lot of sustain and that unique fine-grained treble tooth that Rid likes so much. He calls it "not so high-gain", but the crazy thing will induce sustain/feedback at four. Anyway, since I won it in a giveaway I can't comment on the overrated-ness, and as it's not an official model I wasn't sure if I should mention it. I would give a a rating of "pretty dang sweet."
I have a CM prototype. It's their Rectified OD in a HDB box. I'm impressed, as Rid knows. It's really open, with a lot of sustain and that unique fine-grained treble tooth that Rid likes so much. He calls it "not so high-gain", but the crazy thing will induce sustain/feedback at four. Anyway, since I won it in a giveaway I can't comment on the overrated-ness, and as it's not an official model I wasn't sure if I should mention it. I would give a a rating of "pretty dang sweet."
cream123
JustAskinologist
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
haha, I know that....but to me....an amp is worth it. I'm not convinced that a Carl Martin (or any other "boutique" effect company) effect is worth the extra dough. It's just an effect. Now, if I only wanted to keep it to one or two really good pedals...maybe. But I like more variety than that.
Remember you've got a thread talking about spending 1300-1500 on another amp.
Luke
haha, I know that....but to me....an amp is worth it. I'm not convinced that a Carl Martin (or any other "boutique" effect company) effect is worth the extra dough. It's just an effect. Now, if I only wanted to keep it to one or two really good pedals...maybe. But I like more variety than that.
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
Your tone is only as good as your rigs weakest link.
Believe pedals really CAN sound that much better than a Boss.
Luke
Your tone is only as good as your rigs weakest link.
Believe pedals really CAN sound that much better than a Boss.
Luke
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
Try a Fulltone OCD. It's about $180 new. You try one and then you tell me if it's worth that or not worth more than a $40 Boss DS1. If you can't hear the difference between those two... i guess I can't help that.
Good effects are more than just effects, they're like sounds that you can feel through your fingers and taste through your ears.
Try a Fulltone OCD. It's about $180 new. You try one and then you tell me if it's worth that or not worth more than a $40 Boss DS1. If you can't hear the difference between those two... i guess I can't help that.
Good effects are more than just effects, they're like sounds that you can feel through your fingers and taste through your ears.
cream123
JustAskinologist
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
lol, still....I just can't justify paying over 120 or so for an effect unless it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'd rather buy something that I'd get more use out of....or that I would use more than a Distortion. I just don't like Distortion. If I need one....I might consider spending some money on a good distortion. But not $180. That's a bit ridiculous.
lol, still....I just can't justify paying over 120 or so for an effect unless it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'd rather buy something that I'd get more use out of....or that I would use more than a Distortion. I just don't like Distortion. If I need one....I might consider spending some money on a good distortion. But not $180. That's a bit ridiculous.
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
If you want to see ridiculous look at how much vintage pedals are going for!
Have you ever played through a Klon, Banzai, Tim, Timmy, King of Tone, Teese or Fulltone wah?
A real good question is What is more ridiculous 250 for a pedal that you'll have forever, or 250 for tubes that will burn out in 5-10 years?
Luke
If you want to see ridiculous look at how much vintage pedals are going for!
Have you ever played through a Klon, Banzai, Tim, Timmy, King of Tone, Teese or Fulltone wah?
A real good question is What is more ridiculous 250 for a pedal that you'll have forever, or 250 for tubes that will burn out in 5-10 years?
Luke
The Golden Boy
Fleecy Sweaterologist
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
I can't really say about CM pedals.
I have never played a pedal that captures the presence, tone and feel of the dynamic action of an amp overdriving.
I've played some that sound really good, just not the natural sound and feel of an amp overdriving. For the price- I was really happy with the Barber Direct Drive. Although it failed to do what I originally got it for (to be the overdrive of my old BF Showman) it excels as a non-compressing solo boost type thing.
To say you wouldn't pay $180 (or more) for a pedal that accurately simulates that isn't giving the designers of the pedal enough credit.
I can't really say about CM pedals.
I have never played a pedal that captures the presence, tone and feel of the dynamic action of an amp overdriving.
I've played some that sound really good, just not the natural sound and feel of an amp overdriving. For the price- I was really happy with the Barber Direct Drive. Although it failed to do what I originally got it for (to be the overdrive of my old BF Showman) it excels as a non-compressing solo boost type thing.
To say you wouldn't pay $180 (or more) for a pedal that accurately simulates that isn't giving the designers of the pedal enough credit.
cream123
JustAskinologist
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
or the better question - why not find a good pedal that's cheap and not worrying about spending $250 on guitar accesories?
or the better question - why not find a good pedal that's cheap and not worrying about spending $250 on guitar accesories?
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
Because the cheap pedals don't sound the same?
Remember I'm not just talking about OD/distortion pedals.
Thing is man we spend boatloads on accessories. Have you ever added up how much you've spent on strings, picks and cables? Let me tell ya man it's DEPRESSING!
Luke
Because the cheap pedals don't sound the same?
Remember I'm not just talking about OD/distortion pedals.
Thing is man we spend boatloads on accessories. Have you ever added up how much you've spent on strings, picks and cables? Let me tell ya man it's DEPRESSING!
Luke
ImmortalSix
John Mayer's Mankini
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
That is an excellent point Luke, and one of the philosophies that I've adopted in the past couple of years regarding any purchase, guitar related or not myself. A lot of people don't think to the future. And if they're not stuck in the past, a lot are just going for immediacy. It's all perspective. But yeah, which is more beneficial, and longer lasting?
If somebody wants a certain effect, instead of impulsively jumping on one for some reason take the time to search all the possibilities. By the time someone's decided, "ehh this wasn't all that I thought it could be." After going through the time and hassle of unloading it, or keeping it, even accumulating more than you need and wasting space in a box in the closet, the end result is the costs paid out over & over again will far outweigh one that is backed by reputation, quality, and experience which may be a little bit more coastly initially. You do what you can do. Whatever you do just enjoy it, and don't worry about another person's choice to use something else.
In a nutshell, I think that everyone should just play what they want to play through and stop betchin and moanin. If somebody wants to pay $85.00, or $200.00 for a piece of equipment that may do similar things, it's that person's prerogative, and what they're capable of doing, or not. Whatever you get make the best of it, and incorporate it to give all that you can get out of it.
These are all just tools that help us to put out what we want to get out. Some form of music.
That is an excellent point Luke, and one of the philosophies that I've adopted in the past couple of years regarding any purchase, guitar related or not myself. A lot of people don't think to the future. And if they're not stuck in the past, a lot are just going for immediacy. It's all perspective. But yeah, which is more beneficial, and longer lasting?
If somebody wants a certain effect, instead of impulsively jumping on one for some reason take the time to search all the possibilities. By the time someone's decided, "ehh this wasn't all that I thought it could be." After going through the time and hassle of unloading it, or keeping it, even accumulating more than you need and wasting space in a box in the closet, the end result is the costs paid out over & over again will far outweigh one that is backed by reputation, quality, and experience which may be a little bit more coastly initially. You do what you can do. Whatever you do just enjoy it, and don't worry about another person's choice to use something else.
In a nutshell, I think that everyone should just play what they want to play through and stop betchin and moanin. If somebody wants to pay $85.00, or $200.00 for a piece of equipment that may do similar things, it's that person's prerogative, and what they're capable of doing, or not. Whatever you get make the best of it, and incorporate it to give all that you can get out of it.
These are all just tools that help us to put out what we want to get out. Some form of music.
Dr.Mavashi
neonderthalotonalogist
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
I am sick and tired of the "CM and Rid are overated" attitude around here.
I am sick and tired of the "CM and Rid are overated" attitude around here.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
Unseen
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
Pedals are tools...it is your job to make them sound good!
I can only say that our mainseries are not operating at a measly 9v, and that we aim for natural useful tones, as for overdrive...it will only sound as good as your amp and skills allow it
That is the oldest rule in the book!
We have a vibrato(soon two, one with a chorus/vib)........a flanger is coming...and that will be something!!
Pedals are tools...it is your job to make them sound good!
I can only say that our mainseries are not operating at a measly 9v, and that we aim for natural useful tones, as for overdrive...it will only sound as good as your amp and skills allow it
That is the oldest rule in the book!
Axl H
Blowthebloodydoorsoffologist
Re: Are Carl Martin Effects Overrated?
I tried a OCD vs DS-1. I left the shop with the DS-1 that is now on my board. OCD didnt sound good to my ears
Try a Fulltone OCD. It's about $180 new. You try one and then you tell me if it's worth that or not worth more than a $40 Boss DS1. If you can't hear the difference between those two... i guess I can't help that.
Good effects are more than just effects, they're like sounds that you can feel through your fingers and taste through your ears.
I tried a OCD vs DS-1. I left the shop with the DS-1 that is now on my board. OCD didnt sound good to my ears
