Are you a Vintage 30 person?

[jeremy]

I love fiddling around with guitar tones and recorded tones and learning all that I can about trying to record what's in the room.

I truly enjoy making my brand of guitar tone my very own. Constantly learning and improving.

Mics and speakers and amps and pedals are some of my favorite things!

I applaud anyone who spends the time and effort involved in this pursuit of knowledge. It's a lot of fun! (For me )

i domt do any home recording, but i have a buddy who has a fantastic studio and fantastic gear. besides recording there, when i wanna work on tones, i bring my crap over, we setup mics and we dial stuff in. its a ton of fun for both of us. my two most used amps have markings for where the mic should be, and i use different mics for both. a 57 sounded best on one, 421 sounded best on the other. does the audience care? no

 

[esandes]

I think we all want to blame the gear when we just haven't practiced

It's the mic on the speaker
It the strings

Solid State amps
Bolt on neck ...... Etc

The point of tone chasing, at least to me, is to enjoy the tone so I don't want to stop playing. When I don't like the tone I get frustrated and stop or adjust my gear and continue.

 

[esandes]

And if you are a V30 lover....

Please check out the DV-77 from eminence. In the general opinion, it's everything you like about a V30 and without the harshness that people don't like about it.

I don't think the vintage is harsh at all. It's neutral to me. If it's harsh to others there's a harshness from the guitar or effects or amp.

 

[GuitarStv]

And if you are a V30 lover....

Please check out the DV-77 from eminence. In the general opinion, it's everything you like about a V30 and without the harshness that people don't like about it.

I find the V30 can sometimes be harsh in an open back cab, but don't think they're harsh in a closed back one.

 

[Cynical]

And if you are a V30 lover....

Please check out the DV-77 from eminence. In the general opinion, it's everything you like about a V30 and without the harshness that people don't like about it.

I've never played a cab with them, but based on comparisons I've heard, the DV-77 is more like the K-100 than the V30.

 

[80's_Metal]

I've never played a cab with them, but based on comparisons I've heard, the DV-77 is more like the K-100 than the V30.

I have them (all 3) in cabinets and compare them weekly. (Not that anyone should listen to my opinion)

The DV-77 does have a tiny bit of chirp like the K100, and the tone can be somewhat similar, (depending on your amp setup) but in my experience it is more overall like the V30.

It was certainly originally touted as the V30 killer. (That could also be just for it's popularity though)

It's funny the K100 doesn't get the online hype or coverage that it should, most days it's my favorite speaker (for DropB anyhow)

 

[Cynical]

It was certainly originally touted as the V30 killer. (That could also be just for it's popularity though)

I figure the "V30 killer" talk is the only because of the V30 being "the standard", especially because the DV-77 is a sign model for a guy who, IIRC, used T75s.

 

[80's_Metal]

I figure the "V30 killer" talk is the only because of the V30 being "the standard", especially because the DV-77 is a sign model for a guy who, IIRC, used T75s.

I know he used Celestion G12H 30 speakers for one of the albums, (just before they made his sig speakers) but I think Mick used K100s as his go to for years.
(I think that's why I bought my first pair of them. )

 

[Top-L]

What about g12t75's? Those were pretty big back in the day

Here is my hot take.

The g12t75 was the standard prior to the internet, and the V30 was the first "better than" speaker that all the forum metalheads were raving about in the late 90s early 00s. It achieved critical mass, but I don't think it was "better", just what everyone was talking about and economy of scale made it more affordable. Prior to the internet, people weren't as aware of speaker types, the discussion was about wattage.

I like the 75 better. The V30 sounds smaller, but I guess in an oversized cab it would balance out.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

I don't think the V30 sounds small compared to the T75', personally. But I suppose we all hear things differently.

Put a T75 cab side by side with a cab with V30's, and you won't even hear the T75 cab if you plug your amp into both, LOL.

Hot take here, I guess, I've never liked the T75/V30 X-pattern thing. I think in that case, the T75's don't add to the V30, they just water it down. Althought, to be honest, that is my opinion with *most* speaker mixes, especially ones where one speaker is less efficient than the other. I always feel like I'm watering down the speaker that I like the most with the speaker that I like the least. That's just me, though.

Which leads me to the next thing... I don't think the DV-77 was meant to be a "V30 killer" on its own. I think it's just the reviews that made it into that. It's originally meant to go into Mick's sig cab in a mix with the other Omega speaker which is brighter.

 

[80's_Metal]

I don't think the V30 sounds small compared to the T75', personally. But I suppose we all hear things differently.

Put a T75 cab side by side with a cab with V30's, and you won't even hear the T75 cab if you plug your amp into both, LOL.

Hot take here, I guess, I've never liked the T75/V30 X-pattern thing. I think in that case, the T75's don't add to the V30, they just water it down. Althought, to be honest, that is my opinion with *most* speaker mixes, especially ones where one speaker is less efficient than the other. I always feel like I'm watering down the speaker that I like the most with the speaker that I like the least. That's just me, though.

Which leads me to the next thing... I don't think the DV-77 was meant to be a "V30 killer" on its own. I think it's just the reviews that made it into that. It's originally meant to go into Mick's sig cab in a mix with the other Omega speaker which is brighter.

I agree with all of this..
Except that I do like the 75 and 30 together in a cabinet. Even though the 75 does feel quieter comparitively.

 

[Cynical]

Here is my hot take.

The g12t75 was the standard prior to the internet, and the V30 was the first "better than" speaker that all the forum metalheads were raving about in the late 90s early 00s. It achieved critical mass, but I don't think it was "better", just what everyone was talking about and economy of scale made it more affordable. Prior to the internet, people weren't as aware of speaker types, the discussion was about wattage.

I like the 75 better. The V30 sounds smaller, but I guess in an oversized cab it would balance out.

Prior to the internet, most studios preferred the Greenback for metal over the G12T-75. The T75 was common in backlines because it was what Marshall were filling their cabs with in the '80s (which was solely due to advertised power handling), but no one thought it sounded anywhere nears as good as the Greenback.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Pretty sure the V30 craze is pre-internet, honestly. Might have gotten accentuated by the internet, but the Black Album was a Marshall cab with Celestion Marshal Vintage speakers, which are the "original" V30's.

 

[Cynical]

I didn't know that about the black album, but another example is basically every '90s buttrock band that used Mesa OS cabs, which were also loaded with V30s.

 

[Aaron Cheney]

I am team V30, and the version I've decided is my favorite are the Mesa ones. Somehow they sound different to me than the Chinese-made ones. That said, I only prefer them in closed-back cabs. In open backs I much prefer Creambacks, or even the V-Types, honestly.

 

[misterwhizzy]

I'm surprised there's been so little Greenback love in this thread.

 

[jeremy]

i love a g12m, which is what most people mean when they say greenback. but this is a v30 thread!

 

[GuitarStv]

Greenbacks are also great. I like the V30 a little better for the stuff I play, but I could be happy with greenbacks too.

 

[Edgecrusher]

For my 2 cents, For me the V30 is the pizza of speakers, Its always good, i can always use them and be happy but they are not always ideal and I would use others given the choice. I'm particularly partial to the 80 watt heavy duty speakers in the old 1982 cabs.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Yeah, I like Greenbacks as well.

I can be happy with either Greenbacks or V30's, honestly. Both in the room and mic'd up. Or Creambacks or EHV's.

To be honest, I prefer Celestion speakers with the "M" magnet. Not too much into the "H" magnet variants with the exception of the V30.

I have a Gold in my 1x12, but it's a tiny little 1x12. Would love to hear it and mic it up loaded in a "real" cab.