Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it in!)

ebagjones

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So a longtime dream amp of mine has been the Bad Cat Hot Cat or Lynx. I love Steven Wilson's tone, and Bad Cat's just look cool (I know liking an amp for looks is just lame). I've listened to dozens of demos over the years and mostly liked the tone quite a bit, however, in reality this Hot Cat 50 I bought is the worst sounding amp I've ever heard.
I've spent hours upon hours trying to dial this thing in. The bass is constantly farting out, the mids are either scooped or painfully harsh, and the presence control is the only thing to open up the sound but to do so adds a painful layer of fizz. I went so far as to replace my Celestion V30's with a WGS Reaper HP/Veteran 30 combo to soften the highs, and, while it helped marginally, I've never seen an amp's EQ trample over speaker coloration quite this completely.
My gear is as follows
G&L Legacy HH with 59/JB pickups.
Gibson Les Paul Traditional w/Burstbuckers
EBMM Luke III Dimarzio Transition Humbuckers
Fender American Strat CS69/CS69/SSL5 pickups
Of the four, the Paul is the only one I can even approach a listenable sound with, and I chalk that up to the bite of the maple top and the sweet overtones of the Burstbuckers. The JB in particular sounds like a hot fart.
I know the controls are active, so that can make things counter intuitive to dial in. Anyone have any experience with the Hot Cats?
Also on a side note, this thing is stiff - I mean stiffer than sailor home from leave stiff. And this is coming from a guy who played nothing but Hiwatts for several years. The Hot Cat makes my Hiwatt feel like a slinky vintage super reverb in comparison. I've tried rolling the gain back to fight the fizz, but that just wipes the bass out and increases the stiffness even more.
Here's some amps I have/have had over the last ten years or so,
Mesa Lonestar Classic
Hi-Tone 50
Laney Lionheart 50
Laney G50L
Rockitt Retro Plexi Clone
Fender Bassbreaker 45
Fender RI 59 Bassman LTD
Victory The Earl
Splawn Quick Rod 50
PRS Archon 50
Peavey Classic 50
Marshall Silver Jubilee RI
Budda Superdrive 45
Vox HW AC30

and the Hot Cat so far and without doubt would be on the bottom of this list.
 
Re: Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it

I always thought these amps were the best with traditional single coils. Humbuckers always sounded muddy to me. Maybe it isn't worth putting time into- only go for an amp you absolutely love with all of your guitars.
 
Re: Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it

Never mind dialing in specific tones...set it to something neutral, and if it sounds awful with an American strat with CS69's, then it is just an awful sounding amp, period.

Check to see if all the tubes are lit up evenly, if used maybe have a look inside for signs of sloppy DIY mods.

Oh also try to see if it has one of the less-orthodox tone control layouts, try it with setting noon/noon/noon and compare with 10/10/10, 2/10/2, and 10/2/10

If everything still "passes" muster, box it up and put it on ebay / return to store if returnable


PS one last ditch thing to try, plug it into something without any V30s
 
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Re: Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it

Thanks I will try that. My ears tell me they were so intent on maintaining clarity and articulation under high gain that they were afraid to introduce any compression to the signal, leaving the extended frequencies that sound unpleasant under heavy distortion.
 
Re: Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it

Thanks I will try that. My ears tell me they were so intent on maintaining clarity and articulation under high gain that they were afraid to introduce any compression to the signal, leaving the extended frequencies that sound unpleasant under heavy distortion.

Stick a compressor pedal in front of it??
 
Re: Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it

Just a question, and based on your previous amp ownership I’m guessing you’ve tried this too, how loud are you playing?

With the master nearly all the way up, tones under 50% and gain acting like your volume, can you get anything better?
 
Re: Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it

Yep tried all the tricks, those knobs have been all over. I’ve included this clip I just knocked out quick (and I mean quick so forgive the sloppiness) so you could hear what I’m hearing. I used to have a sovtek Big Muff and this is what it sounded like when the battery was almost completely dead. Maybe that what’s they were going for?

Also that’s Bubble Puppy in the background - my studio until recently was my kid’s nursery. It’s pretty gangster.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v2wadqIa8hU
 
Re: Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it

What kind of preamp tubes are in it? The harsh, grainy high end you're describing is what I've come to expect form the Shuguang 12AX7s that many manufacturers ship. I thought my Jet City JCA22H sounded like a coffee can full of bees with those tubes, but it sounds great with JJs in the gain stages. The JCA doesn't have a clean channel, so the generally dark tonality of the JJs wasn't a problem; they may be too dark in the Hot Cat. If you have some Tung-Sol 12AX7s on hand, they should have a more balanced tonality without being too dull.
 
Re: Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it

I know dreams die hard but it seems like maybe you bought an amp that you really just do not like? My personal advice is sell or return it.
 
Re: Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it

Yeah that may be the way to go. I managed to get some Marshall-y tones out of it this morning by rolling the bass and treble all the way off, and by Marshall-y I mean JCM900 with a blown speaker. Still better than everything else I've found on the dials. Also, the clean channels starts overdriving on bedroom volumes with single coils - my question is, why bother to have a clean channel? My plexi could get considerably louder and cleaner than that, and that's not what most people consider a "clean" amp. Definitely going to flip it. There's clearly a lot of people who love the Hot Cat tone so I'm hoping it won't take long. That's why I didn't call the thread worst amp ever - because everyone hears differently and what may be Hot Garbage to me may be the next person's grail tone. I just prefer a more traditional distortion tone, whereas the Hot Cat's I would describe as similar to a Germanium Fuzz Face through a neck humbucker. Spitty, gritty and with an enormous ass on it.
 
Re: Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it

If anyone is familiar with Lucinda's Williams "Righteously", this amp will get you those tones easily without a pedal.
 
Re: Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it

Fixed the Hot Cat - by buying a Splawn Quick Rod. I know I couldn't get more apples to oranges but this amp seems perfectly dialed in for that buttery smooth yet biting high gain tones I was looking for.
 
Re: Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it

Interesting thread. I've never tried a Bad Cat. Have been close, but just never pulled the trigger. Guess I dodged a bullet on that! The Quick Rod is a great amp. Kinda miss mine.
 
Re: Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it

Yeah to my ears what makes the Quick Rod so great is that it gives you the tone you need, rather than what you think you want. It seems to not be as highly regarded as before but I think it does such a good job of classic hot rodded Marshall tones and not much more that it doesn’t hold peoples attention like the latest new gadgets to roll down the line.
 
Re: Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it

Well, sometimes the idea of something is greater than that actual thing. If it led you to the right thing, then you win.
 
Re: Bad Cat Hot Cat 50 - My least favorite amp of all time?? (Please help me dial it

Interesting read, I am also a big Steven Wilson fan and think Bad Cat, but I have yet to see or play one in person. I remember a lot of his great recorded tones are modeled are they not?

Reading this also makes me nervous about buying another amp! I'm still discovering nuances to the Mark IV but avoiding scratching a Friedman itch.

Glad you figured it out, but sorry the amp didn't do it for you

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