Billy Corgan Strat played and rejected.

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I owned 1 Strat in my life a basic American Standard. So, when I saw the Corgan Strat I was like yah baby maybe it's time for another one. Not. It's a nice guitar but I'm just not a Strat kind of guy and there was nothing about it that made me think it was well worth $1200.00. Maybe it was the maple neck? I don't like them...
 
Re: Billy Corgan Strat played and rejected.

heh. i played one yesterday and really liked it, and im not a strat guy at all. to each his own i suppose
 
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I'll have to go play one. He was one of my influences growing up as far as music goes.
 
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I wouldn't waste my time with a guitar like that, it's basically just a stock Strat anyway with a few fancy mods.
 
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I don't get it.

It's a typical hardtail Strat with just two "Special Corgan" DiMarzios Mini-Hums.
Otherwise from the specs it looks completely stock...
 
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How many Fender Stratocasters really go really far away from the "same model with a few tweaks" attitude? besides maybe the Eric Johnson or Strat that have really different building principles to it you can claim that any signature Strat is more of the same with a tweak of electronics or neck shape (YJM scalloping included) here and there.
 
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I love the Smashing Pumpkins, but let's be real here. Billy always used Lace noiseless singles in his Strats (something relatively clear and neutral sounding) so that he could layer on tons of fuzz and distortion while keeping clarity (anything else would turn into pure mud).

It's cool if you like the Billy Corgan strat, but just realize that it's not an accurate representation of the guitars that Billy built his name on.
 
Re: Billy Corgan Strat played and rejected.

I love the Smashing Pumpkins, but let's be real here. Billy always used Lace noiseless singles in his Strats (something relatively clear and neutral sounding) so that he could layer on tons of fuzz and distortion while keeping clarity (anything else would turn into pure mud).

I like the looks, but you're absolutely correct. If you want old-school Pumpkins, Lace Red/Silver/Blue (plus Big Muff & Marshall) is an absolute must.
 
Re: Billy Corgan Strat played and rejected.

How many Fender Stratocasters really go really far away from the "same model with a few tweaks" attitude? besides maybe the Eric Johnson or Strat that have really different building principles to it you can claim that any signature Strat is more of the same with a tweak of electronics or neck shape (YJM scalloping included) here and there.

I would like to know the same thing about Gibson guitars that are the same way. If you want a vintage style Strat without dropping 2500+, go buy the Eric Johnson Strat because it is obvious that a guitar that is made for a tone freak such as him to be so much like his vintage Strats that it's gotta be good, I don't think Gibson or Fender could say that about any other guitar they produce. You really are getting the bang for your buck with a guitar like that, whereas the people who will spend over 2000 bucks for a vintage reissue are just doing it because they have money to piss away on gimmicks.

I hate some of the artist models that Fender makes to be honest, the Dick Dale model is just a normal Strat with a hardtail bridge, Custom Shop 50's single coils and a reverse headstock, for the price they are charging I could put together one with Warmoth made neck and body and it would cost a fair bit less and be every bit as good. What they don't even take into consideration with that guitar is the fact that Dick Dale uses strings far thicker then any run of the mill string pack on the market, I think the high E string is a .13 guage and the low E is as thick as an D or G string on a bass guitar. It is a joke that the guitar doesn't come stock with strings like that.
 
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I look at signature guitars as a source of ideas for mods of my own. The best example being Jimmy Page's signature LP. I've put the 4 push-pull system he developed in some of my guitars, and love it. I'd never spend the money to buy one of his signatures, and even he has had some issues with them. I'm a big fan of Page's Zep work, especially the earlier stuff, but that's not why I like his switching system. It lets me do more things with my own playing.

I like seeing what mods any of the big names have done & having those available to the general public. I'm not rushing to buy any of them, but getting the ideas out is the most important thing. Outside of these forums, most players don't have much imagination when it comes to guitar mods.
 
Re: Billy Corgan Strat played and rejected.

I would like to know the same thing about Gibson guitars that are the same way. If you want a vintage style Strat without dropping 2500+, go buy the Eric Johnson Strat because it is obvious that a guitar that is made for a tone freak such as him to be so much like his vintage Strats that it's gotta be good, I don't think Gibson or Fender could say that about any other guitar they produce. You really are getting the bang for your buck with a guitar like that, whereas the people who will spend over 2000 bucks for a vintage reissue are just doing it because they have money to piss away on gimmicks.

I hate some of the artist models that Fender makes to be honest, the Dick Dale model is just a normal Strat with a hardtail bridge, Custom Shop 50's single coils and a reverse headstock, for the price they are charging I could put together one with Warmoth made neck and body and it would cost a fair bit less and be every bit as good. What they don't even take into consideration with that guitar is the fact that Dick Dale uses strings far thicker then any run of the mill string pack on the market, I think the high E string is a .13 guage and the low E is as thick as an D or G string on a bass guitar. It is a joke that the guitar doesn't come stock with strings like that.


Dick's high E is a 0.16 and his low E is a .060. That is one question I asked him about playing guitar. In fact, he had to ask the guy who was in charge of setting up his guitar at a table across the asile to be sure.

Oh yeah...nothing but 15 inch speakers for Dick. He loathes anything else.
 
Re: Billy Corgan Strat played and rejected.

I love the Smashing Pumpkins, but let's be real here. Billy always used Lace noiseless singles in his Strats (something relatively clear and neutral sounding) so that he could layer on tons of fuzz and distortion while keeping clarity (anything else would turn into pure mud).

It's cool if you like the Billy Corgan strat, but just realize that it's not an accurate representation of the guitars that Billy built his name on.

But Billy's tastes have changed a bit over the years too, and if Dimarzio offered to tweak a design to get it closer to what his Lace Sensors used to sound like, but improved, what's wrong with that?

Although his strats back in the day didn't have the big headstock either-- that's the main gripe I have w/ the guitar. Hardtail and Dimarzio rail pickups? Cool. Big goofy CBS era headstock? Pass...

Overall it's real similar to what I had been planning to build for a long time, and I had no clue that Fender and Billy were working on one, or what it would look like.
 
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Actually, Billy used Lace Reds in all 3 positions.

Really? I didn't know that. I guessed it was the Red/Silver/Blue because I had a Strat with those, and could nail all sorts of his tones with it.

Thanks for the info :)
 
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Dick Dale would have to use 15 inchers, otherwise it would sound terrible. Same reason bass players use 15in speakers.
 
Re: Billy Corgan Strat played and rejected.

I never heard anything about Billy using the Lace Sensor Reds.

Where'd you come upon that piece of information?
 
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I played it and I thought it was really nice. Is it worth the price? To me it is just as much as any other American made Strat. I like the thin finish on the neck and body, it doesn't feel sticky like a lot of Strat finishes.

I do recall hearing he used Cool Rails at one point, but I could be completely off with that. I'd like to try some Lace Sensors eventually.
 
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The best example being Jimmy Page's signature LP. I've put the 4 push-pull system he developed in some of my guitars, and love it. I'd never spend the money to buy one of his signatures, and even he has had some issues with them. I'm a big fan of Page's Zep work, especially the earlier stuff, but that's not why I like his switching system.mods.

That fancypants "Jimmy Page Wiring" was concieved LONG after Bonham died, it was well after his Firm stuff, and I saw no mention of it for the recording of Outrider. I never heard of it until the first run of JP sig guitars in like 96 or so...
 
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