BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
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TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
Compression is by far one of THE most misunderstood and overused effects. The fact that there is no set nomenclature for compression parameters only makes it harder ... And then there are 'leveling amplifiers' ... brick wall limiters ... yeesh! Never ends!
But Necro has the right idea. Take the plug in mix, and then move one parameter and see how it changes the overall sound. Save your favorites and then you have a starting point for next time.
For example, I have a lot of EQ presets saves on my Pultec plugin. Strat bridge, Strat middle, hot bridge humbucker, etc. It helps me dial in sounds later when I am already starting from a point that's worked in the past.
You are right about there being no magic formula for mixing. It's all about listening and driving the mix to where YOU think it should be. Even song to song, things will change because different keys will have different resonant peaks.
Importing a few reference tracks into your session is always a good idea so you can compare. Just make sure you set up a 'dummy' output bus so that the refs stay unaffected.
I started recording my music when I was 13, and never stopped. It was super primitive back then onto a portable tape recorder, and then primitive multitracking using a stereo and boombox w 2 decks. My cousin introduced me to the Portastudio 02 back in 85, I think. I had Tacsam, Fostex, Vestax 4 track machines ... Then moved onto a Sony Minidisc multitrack/mixing desk ... then ADAT ... then PC recording w Turtle Beach and Cool Edit Pro!!
God, I feel old! LOL
Compression is by far one of THE most misunderstood and overused effects. The fact that there is no set nomenclature for compression parameters only makes it harder ... And then there are 'leveling amplifiers' ... brick wall limiters ... yeesh! Never ends!
But Necro has the right idea. Take the plug in mix, and then move one parameter and see how it changes the overall sound. Save your favorites and then you have a starting point for next time.
For example, I have a lot of EQ presets saves on my Pultec plugin. Strat bridge, Strat middle, hot bridge humbucker, etc. It helps me dial in sounds later when I am already starting from a point that's worked in the past.
You are right about there being no magic formula for mixing. It's all about listening and driving the mix to where YOU think it should be. Even song to song, things will change because different keys will have different resonant peaks.
Importing a few reference tracks into your session is always a good idea so you can compare. Just make sure you set up a 'dummy' output bus so that the refs stay unaffected.
I started recording my music when I was 13, and never stopped. It was super primitive back then onto a portable tape recorder, and then primitive multitracking using a stereo and boombox w 2 decks. My cousin introduced me to the Portastudio 02 back in 85, I think. I had Tacsam, Fostex, Vestax 4 track machines ... Then moved onto a Sony Minidisc multitrack/mixing desk ... then ADAT ... then PC recording w Turtle Beach and Cool Edit Pro!!
God, I feel old! LOL
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everdrone
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Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
lol thanks Twilight
I watched these Pensado Ozone 5 / loudness videos which also helped a little, I need to rewatch em:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g2y6vgF2cc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtFsXV5KMZU
I remixed my song and put 30 minutes into the mix, (no need for Twilight and Necro to listen to the before and after
)
https://soundcloud.com/earthalliance/2014-07-12-modern-metal-remixed
thanks Twilight and Necro, this forum is the best!
lol thanks Twilight
I watched these Pensado Ozone 5 / loudness videos which also helped a little, I need to rewatch em:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g2y6vgF2cc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtFsXV5KMZU
I remixed my song and put 30 minutes into the mix, (no need for Twilight and Necro to listen to the before and after
) https://soundcloud.com/earthalliance/2014-07-12-modern-metal-remixed
thanks Twilight and Necro, this forum is the best!
SteveAlysis
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Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
Very cool idea... your playing and writing is getting really good.man. needs me this revalver
Very cool idea... your playing and writing is getting really good.man. needs me this revalver
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
By the way, if you want to get serious about recording, I strongly recommend subscribing to:
Sound On Sound
Recording Revolution
Mix Coach
By the way, if you want to get serious about recording, I strongly recommend subscribing to:
Sound On Sound
Recording Revolution
Mix Coach
everdrone
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Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
your recordings are awesome! Revalver to me is worth $30 but no more, I saw it go on sale on MF stupid deal of the day for $30 before I bought it. you can download and use the demo of it here before you buy, I did: http://peavey.com/products/revalver/ these free plugins do about the same thing so dont pay too much for revalver 4 or anything: http://lepouplugins.blogspot.com/
will do, I do mix a lot, so I would like to get better
for me it is the hodgpodge you described of limiters/compressors in Ozone 5.
my mix is ok without Ozone, but I need the ozone 5 for volume, and that Ozone5 completely messes up my mix and squashes and distorts and pumps it out of control no matter what common sense I throw at it, I really need to read and learn about it and similar compressor/limiters.
Thanks brutha, your too kind, cheers :beerchug:
thanks brutha
your recordings are awesome! Revalver to me is worth $30 but no more, I saw it go on sale on MF stupid deal of the day for $30 before I bought it. you can download and use the demo of it here before you buy, I did: http://peavey.com/products/revalver/ these free plugins do about the same thing so dont pay too much for revalver 4 or anything: http://lepouplugins.blogspot.com/Thanks brutha
will do, I do mix a lot, so I would like to get better for me it is the hodgpodge you described of limiters/compressors in Ozone 5.
my mix is ok without Ozone, but I need the ozone 5 for volume, and that Ozone5 completely messes up my mix and squashes and distorts and pumps it out of control no matter what common sense I throw at it, I really need to read and learn about it and similar compressor/limiters.
Thanks brutha, your too kind, cheers :beerchug:
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everdrone
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Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
recorded this DOOM one today, it is my black arts pharaoh fuzz pedal through my tech 21 oxford:
https://soundcloud.com/earthalliance/2014-07-20-fuzzed-out-doom
recorded this DOOM one today, it is my black arts pharaoh fuzz pedal through my tech 21 oxford:
https://soundcloud.com/earthalliance/2014-07-20-fuzzed-out-doom
NecroPolo
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Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
Mate I'm glad to help and I'm happy if you could use the tips. I went through the same issues when I started using Ozone3. Its behaviour on certain program material is quite familiar, despite the new (and fine) versions. O5 is the best reasonable processors around I think. If you keep an eye on what it does, it can be your best friend to produce your great sounding, self-produced album. That's your next goal, in case Choosing the right songs, breaking it down to a tenpack, creating a concept that connects them, telling a story and refine it to the max and so on so on forth.
About looping, I did not mean any complicated thing. The dense kick part is where the O5 processor reveals it doesn't work properly as it started pumping the cymbals. Just loop the problematic part during playback and adjust the processor until the unwanted attributes disappear. Most probably it will make a good effect on the rest of the track too.
Mate I'm glad to help and I'm happy if you could use the tips. I went through the same issues when I started using Ozone3. Its behaviour on certain program material is quite familiar, despite the new (and fine) versions. O5 is the best reasonable processors around I think. If you keep an eye on what it does, it can be your best friend to produce your great sounding, self-produced album. That's your next goal, in case
Choosing the right songs, breaking it down to a tenpack, creating a concept that connects them, telling a story and refine it to the max and so on so on forth.About looping, I did not mean any complicated thing. The dense kick part is where the O5 processor reveals it doesn't work properly as it started pumping the cymbals. Just loop the problematic part during playback and adjust the processor until the unwanted attributes disappear. Most probably it will make a good effect on the rest of the track too.
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
^ ... Or, you can mult the part and apply different processing to each part as needed. But that can get very complex, VERY fast.
^ ... Or, you can mult the part and apply different processing to each part as needed. But that can get very complex, VERY fast.
NecroPolo
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Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
A lot of things matched on da road for me too! Double decks, Portastudio, battered Tascam 4-track, Turtle Beach sound card, Cool Edit... At the beginning I even used a C64 as a drum machine. That was ages ago
BTW ages, you can find some seasoned gentlemen here talking about black secrets:
Mix with the Masters
Listening to them it's easy to realise that above a level it's nothing about the equipment, it's all about philosophy Even though this online resource is limited, still an ample of good tips can be found here. It would be a really great fun to join this course.
I started recording my music when I was 13, and never stopped. It was super primitive back then onto a portable tape recorder, and then primitive multitracking using a stereo and boombox w 2 decks. My cousin introduced me to the Portastudio 02 back in 85, I think. I had Tacsam, Fostex, Vestax 4 track machines ... Then moved onto a Sony Minidisc multitrack/mixing desk ... then ADAT ... then PC recording w Turtle Beach and Cool Edit Pro!!
God, I feel old! LOL
A lot of things matched on da road for me too! Double decks, Portastudio, battered Tascam 4-track, Turtle Beach sound card, Cool Edit... At the beginning I even used a C64 as a drum machine. That was ages ago BTW ages, you can find some seasoned gentlemen here talking about black secrets:
Mix with the Masters
Listening to them it's easy to realise that above a level it's nothing about the equipment, it's all about philosophy
Even though this online resource is limited, still an ample of good tips can be found here. It would be a really great fun to join this course.
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TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
Yes, the MwtM Q&A sessions are great and you are 100% correct ... it's not about equipment or technique; most of that is assumed. It's more philosophical about how to get the song to where it needs to be.
Yes, the MwtM Q&A sessions are great and you are 100% correct ... it's not about equipment or technique; most of that is assumed. It's more philosophical about how to get the song to where it needs to be.
everdrone
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Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
ya I see how they mention this sort of stuff and know how make a track for each component of the drumset, but I have no idea how to do the sidechaining/programming/processing for certain parts, one day I wanna hire one of these dudes to just look over my shoulder and show me how to do it; Im sure they are self taught geniuses though
^ ... Or, you can mult the part and apply different processing to each part as needed. But that can get very complex, VERY fast.
ya I see how they mention this sort of stuff and know how make a track for each component of the drumset, but I have no idea how to do the sidechaining/programming/processing for certain parts, one day I wanna hire one of these dudes to just look over my shoulder and show me how to do it; Im sure they are self taught geniuses though
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
Sidechaining, especially compression, is not an easy thing to get down. But that's mostly used for very specific effects. Parallel compression is probably closer to what you are looking for. If you subscribe to Sound On Sound, their digital sub opens up their entire library. If you search 'sidechain compression' and 'parallel compression' you will find plenty of helpful tutorial articles. What I love about SOS is that even their product reviews are very educational because they talk about how they use the equipment in their own work. Even the articles with techniques for DAWs I don't use are packed with helpful ideas.
Sidechaining, especially compression, is not an easy thing to get down. But that's mostly used for very specific effects. Parallel compression is probably closer to what you are looking for. If you subscribe to Sound On Sound, their digital sub opens up their entire library. If you search 'sidechain compression' and 'parallel compression' you will find plenty of helpful tutorial articles. What I love about SOS is that even their product reviews are very educational because they talk about how they use the equipment in their own work. Even the articles with techniques for DAWs I don't use are packed with helpful ideas.
everdrone
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Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
whoa! a month has past and no weekly recordingz
On the bright notes I was learning for some jams on bass this month and got better at my bass finger pickins
This new tune has me on bass using finger picking and not a pick, it is heavy blues rock with a short guitar solo:
whoa! a month has past and no weekly recordingz
On the bright notes I was learning for some jams on bass this month and got better at my bass finger pickins This new tune has me on bass using finger picking and not a pick, it is heavy blues rock with a short guitar solo:
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
That was ver cool! The double stop riff reminds me of something Rush would do.
Sonically, the only thing I noticed is that the bass seems a little too loud throughout but gets buried during the solo. But that's being nit picky.
Great job, as usual!
I've been keeping my head down also, working hard at finishing the album.
That was ver cool! The double stop riff reminds me of something Rush would do.
Sonically, the only thing I noticed is that the bass seems a little too loud throughout but gets buried during the solo. But that's being nit picky.
Great job, as usual!
I've been keeping my head down also, working hard at finishing the album.
everdrone
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Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
Thanks my friend, you definitely listened to the whole song! heh those bass volumes were the result of late night EQ decisions. everything sounds so good at 1am, I just want more of all the volumes! next day its like whoa a sound hangover, what was I thinking?? lol I need to keep that in mind for the next tune, thanks for the constructive criticism. Glad you dug the double stop riff! not everyone's cup of tea, I have been listening to Black Country Communion and Gov't Mule a lot, really stuck on this awesome tune called Thorazine Shuffle:
That was ver cool! The double stop riff reminds me of something Rush would do.
Sonically, the only thing I noticed is that the bass seems a little too loud throughout but gets buried during the solo. But that's being nit picky.
Great job, as usual!
Thanks my friend, you definitely listened to the whole song! heh those bass volumes were the result of late night EQ decisions. everything sounds so good at 1am, I just want more of all the volumes! next day its like whoa a sound hangover, what was I thinking?? lol I need to keep that in mind for the next tune, thanks for the constructive criticism. Glad you dug the double stop riff! not everyone's cup of tea, I have been listening to Black Country Communion and Gov't Mule a lot, really stuck on this awesome tune called Thorazine Shuffle:
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
Yep, know that song!
Yep, know that song!
DankStar
Her Little Mojo Minion
Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
what's the latest dealio? although I can't seem to do it well, I love the idea of cranking stuff out & moving on to the next one - someday you'll look back and be like - wow, I did all those in that time period?
what's the latest dealio? although I can't seem to do it well, I love the idea of cranking stuff out & moving on to the next one - someday you'll look back and be like - wow, I did all those in that time period?
everdrone
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Re: BLOG: My WEEKLY Metal/Rock/Classic/Doom Recordings:
Hey Dankstar, thanks for asking, that is a good blog question. this is it, I just wanna do this every weekend, and play guitar/bass every day or every other day. Sometimes I pick up a band/project or whatevs but I think this is the music goal for the next few months, just this music is not taking a back seat, but I need to build up playing stamina and strength really and then I will be looking for an original band. I joined a group that just jams so I play bass with them, they are pretty cool, the last jam went for like 4 hours which is a bit much so I should tell em another bassist could also show up. also I do my Fretlight lessons
I am doing a lot of other stuff lately - gym 5 days a week. every week I 1) swim 2) yoga class 3) 1-2 classes of zumba 4) weightlift 5) cardio machines. Im learning spanish. and hanging out with my peeps. I did more career stuff last year so this year I am putting in less time on that.
Hey Dankstar, thanks for asking, that is a good blog question. this is it, I just wanna do this every weekend, and play guitar/bass every day or every other day. Sometimes I pick up a band/project or whatevs but I think this is the music goal for the next few months, just this
music is not taking a back seat, but I need to build up playing stamina and strength really and then I will be looking for an original band. I joined a group that just jams so I play bass with them, they are pretty cool, the last jam went for like 4 hours which is a bit much so I should tell em another bassist could also show up. also I do my Fretlight lessons I am doing a lot of other stuff lately - gym 5 days a week. every week I 1) swim 2) yoga class 3) 1-2 classes of zumba 4) weightlift 5) cardio machines. Im learning spanish. and hanging out with my peeps. I did more career stuff last year so this year I am putting in less time on that.
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