boogie+ts9 = a sadder me

[anewdefguitarist]

ok, so the pre production for our new CD will be starting soon and the guy recording/producing said he "doesn't really like boogies to record with, and usually runs a tubescreamer thru the clean channel. is this guy ****in crazy!??! or is this a common thing? i was told metallica used 'screamers thru their marshalls on AJFA but, wtf? the "artist" in me wants to stay true to my live tone - since i dont use a screamer - so wtf i guess im a little pissed overall bc that boogie is my sound. i love the sound of that amp. ive had offers for straight up trades to other boogies and such that ive turned down. i guess i could always tell the guy "NO" but i want to make sure im not over re-acting first and see if others think the same way?

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

Re: boogie+ts9 = a sadder me

Umm,

It's your music, do what sounds good to you. If you try it and it sounds better then go with it, if not stick to what you have and like.

 

[Rowan]

Re: boogie+ts9 = a sadder me

Try both ways and see what sounds better on tape. Granted they will be two completely different tones but you never know. My 5150 II sounded great live but recorded it really wasn't same.

 

[Virtual Kevorkian]

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Find an engineer that seems to know his stuff, you get along with decently well, whose work you like the sound of, and, most importantly, that you trust to make your band not only sound good, but still sound like yourselves.

While I realize that may be asking a bit much, especially if you're on a tight budget, but I would never in a million years consider going in and recording with a guy who I didn't get along with and trust to do a good job.

 

[DankStar]

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if the tone he dials in doesn't sound good to you, or make you play as well as your stock tone, don't use it.

i went into a studio in AZ with My Sound, which was a JCM800 head and a tube king. i thought i was the bee's knees. then the engineer plugged me into a modded sovtek head with a makeshift "Krank" logo on it (one of the "original" line of Krank amps), and I liked it better than my tone, so I went with it. you can't let your ego stand in the way, but if you don't like the tone, you can't really agree to use it.

i can't imagine an OD through the clean channel sounding better recorded than the dirty channel of a boogie. i'd have him to a quicky with both and A/B them - the proof will be in the pudding at that point. if he says the crappy one sounds better, he ain't your man.

 

[anewdefguitarist]

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yeah, i deffinately will A/B them...this guy ran sound at the show we played in Ft. Wayne, IN at the Collesium (picture over there <---- probably none of you have ever heard of it but it was SICK!) and the live sound sounded pretty **** good. im just really not looking forward to arguing with someone on how I WANT to sound, ya know? but unlike last time, im NOT SETTLING on this CD. last time we were under time & money constraints - so i commited the sin of going through a POD. i will NEVER do that for a real recording again. ever...no....never...


so judging by the replies, this doesn't sound like a typical thing then? i just wanted to make sure that this wasn't something people commonly did with boogies or something. i would consider maybe a screamer or a DS-1 through the raw or vintage channel, like setting up the bedal with no gain/little gain on the pedal. but i mean come on...how many albums did people record and use a boogie!?!? not a pedal through a boogie, a mother ****in boogie?!? its late im a little bit angry...i'll stop now, lol

 

[Virtual Kevorkian]

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I'll run a TS9 through the dirty channel in a heartbeat - actually, wouldn't play one without it.

But through a clean channel? Dear god, not for the main distorted tone.

 

[idsnowdog]

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I would meet him half way. I would run your normal setup and split the signal off before the amp and record your tracks clean and then re-amp if necessary. That way you have good performance in the can and you can tweak later, plus after you send this dickweed packing you don't waste your time/money.

 

[Zhangliqun]

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Live and studio are two different animals. Because a guy does a great job running live sound doesn't mean he knows what he's doing in the studio.

That said, the same goes for the sound of your guitar. What sounds great live is often crap when recorded so it could be this guy has recorded Boogies before and really DOES know what he's doing.

As others have said, do it both ways and see which comes out better.

 

[heymcz]

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Use your real gear or a reasonable substitute. It's okay to crank the gain down a lot, that's normal...but a TS9 on a clean channel isn't going to be satisfying.

 

[Kev]

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the guy recording/producing said he "doesn't really like boogies to record with, and usually runs a tubescreamer thru the clean channel. is this guy ****in crazy!??!

:jester:

 

[ParameterMan]

Re: boogie+ts9 = a sadder me

For what it's worth, my Boogie Quad sounds amazing recorded. I just need to crank it up to live levels-- speaker and cab coloration really adds to the sound.

 

[Pink Unicorn Horsey]

Re: boogie+ts9 = a sadder me

ok, so the pre production for our new CD will be starting soon and the guy recording/producing said he "doesn't really like boogies to record with, and usually runs a tubescreamer thru the clean channel. is this guy ****in crazy!??!

If he meant the dirty channel, he's not crazy -- but the clean channel?!? :scared:

 

[WhoFan]

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any recordings i have done i was always shocked at how little distortion i needed for a good recorded sound.... something sounds odd that he just wants you to use a tube screamer thru a clean channel... is he going to distort it at the board? that method has been used before i guess....

it sounds strange... i've heard recordings that they had one distorted track and one cleaner track and together they make a huge wall of sound...

what type of studio is it...? have you heard any recordings this guy has done before?

 

[anewdefguitarist]

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sorry for the long absence. no, i haven't heard any recent recordings, but i remember thinking before that it was fine. this was about 2-3 years ago though. he said he has a 5150, a randall mts module amp, a couple 4x12 cabs, and some orange stuff. but he said he doesn't like recording through 4x12's. he says he records thru small 1x12 cabs. .....?!?! im at a loss for words. i know some guys have done this but....how can you beat a big 4x12 or 2x12 even, cranked fairly high, and having the mic on the grill and having one or two a couple feet away, like room mics or whatever they're called?!?

 

[uOpt]

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The problem here is what sounds good to you in isolation (just guitar alone) might not be the best choice for the mix.

The amount of distortion somebody already mentioned above is a perfect example. Just guitar alone you want more distortion for a richer, thicker sound. But when all the other instruments come in you already have lots of cream in there and you can create a mess.

Then there is the problem of the singer (if any). Live it is accepted to kill him/her with the guitars because it's what the audience expects and they don't hit the right notes anyway. But in the studio you usually want the voice to stand out and be one or even the central part of a song.

When I was mixing I was usually brutally showing everything out of the way of the voice (sound-wise, not volume-wise). Nearly got me killed but in the end most people agreed it is the better solution for most music that isn't extreme. Amateur musicians are just too used to practicing on their own and making things sound good when they play alone.

If money is not super-tight I recommend laying down two tracks, one with what the engineer recommends, one with what sounds good to you so that he can later proove his point to you (or not). You could even play into both rigs at the same time (speakers and mics in different rooms) so that you can later mix the amps together without it sounding like an additional guitarist.

 

[anewdefguitarist]

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yeah, im totally fine trying it his way. i just can't see how a TS-9 through my clean channel will sound good? well, it deffinately won't sound like my boogie!! what i want is the tone my boogie gives. you know?

i guess what im sayin is, zakk wylde doesn't go into the studio and record an entire CD without his bullseye, and his marshall. slash doesn't record without his paul and his marshall. same deal with angus young, tony rombola, etc etc. i can't figure out why in the hell i would want to play thru a **** TS-9. I DONT EVEN HAVE A TS-9, i'll never be able to cop that sound ya know? thats not me!

 

[Dru Edwards]

Re: boogie+ts9 = a sadder me

Can he give you a recording of a previous band with that setup? That may give you a taste of his previous experience with tone.

 

[uOpt]

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yeah, im totally fine trying it his way. i just can't see how a TS-9 through my clean channel will sound good? well, it deffinately won't sound like my boogie!! what i want is the tone my boogie gives. you know?

I honestly have no idea, that's not anything I ever tried. All I can say is that soundmixers are afraid of Mesas

 

[Virtual Kevorkian]

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I'm gonna be honest - if this guy legitimately wants to record you with a TS-9 into the clean channel of your boogie and a 1x12, and he actually has access to amps like a 5150, MTS, Orange, and proper 4x12 cabinets... He's retarded.

Find someone else ASAP!