Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

[KyloTheBird]

Hey guys! Just recently bought a Dual Rectifier (the three channel one) and I need ideas for what cabinet to buy with it. I'm a bit on a budget, so I have been looking around in Zzounds since I'm being given a 12 month payment plan there. I want a cabinet that can help tighten up the low end since I hear the Recto's are quite notorious for having a ton of low end and can sometimes be muddy.

What caught my eye there was the Jim Root Signature cabinet. Around the price range I'm willing to spend and they say it specifically helps with tightening the low end.

I should also note I'm really in no rush to buy this cabinet. I already have a Marshall combo amp so it's not like I don't have anything to play with, currently. So if it would be better for me to save up some money to buy a good cabinent, I'll do that.

 

[some_dude]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

I personally like the Recto 4x12. The slant cab doesn’t have the boom of the straight cab.

The problem I had with a tighter cab (Orange) was that its response was a bit flatter and it lost some of the 3D character the Recto cabs have.

Personally, I found using an EMG81 did more to tighten up a Recto than swapping cabs ever did.

 

[some_dude]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

And don’t cheap out on a guitar cab... IMO, having a good sounding cab is more important than the amp itself.

 

[Adieu]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

Hey guys! Just recently bought a Dual Rectifier (the three channel one) and I need ideas for what cabinet to buy with it. I'm a bit on a budget, so I have been looking around in Zzounds since I'm being given a 12 month payment plan there. I want a cabinet that can help tighten up the low end since I hear the Recto's are quite notorious for having a ton of low end and can sometimes be muddy.

What caught my eye there was the Jim Root Signature cabinet. Around the price range I'm willing to spend and they say it specifically helps with tightening the low end.

I should also note I'm really in no rush to buy this cabinet. I already have a Marshall combo amp so it's not like I don't have anything to play with, currently. So if it would be better for me to save up some money to buy a good cabinent, I'll do that.

Afaik zzounds only ships to north america... used 412 cabs are dirt cheap here. Dont go on a payment plan for a cab, there's literally NOTHING <$1k that can't easily be beat with $200-300 spent on the used market

Also, for a number of reasons including speaker break-in and (except for Mesa) the switch to Chinese speakers in the 2000's and earlier cost-cutting measures, exactly NONE of the best cabs available in your area will EVER be new

Cool things with decent prices:
1. Old 80s Carvin cabs, ordered upgraded or later reloaded with good old Celestions as below
2. Old Peavey cabs with g12k-85 speakers stock or reloaded as below
3. OLD 80s marshall 1960a or b, if and ONLY if loaded with g12-65 speakers stock (only a couple years in the 80s)... or reloaded with 65 / 80 (no letter) / cl80 / k185 / k100 / v30 / c90
4. Old Mesa grate cabs with Black Shadow badged speakers --- whether C90's or EV's
5. Marshall 1960 AV / BV (the V part is important, and check that they still have the Marshall Vintage badged v30s)
6 Modern Mesa cabs for $400 or less

7. :all as above, but with good Eminences (ask somebody who isnt me about acceptable models there)

Avoid:
1. Marshall 1960a w/ t75 speakers....unless you find it for $150 or less. It isn't horrendous bad, but it isnt particularly good, and definitely is NOT the same industry standard cab Marshall advertising tries to pitch it as. (They WERE. The early greenback low wattage ones and the 80s models of the same name with the g12-65 speaker from britain, NOT the new ones with the t75 from china)
2. Lower model marshalls like Marshall MG etc.
3. Greenback cabs --- popular stuff, but you have too much amp for low-wattage speakers to handle
4. Any celestions not on that list above. But especially Rocket ##, Seventy/80, t75, h100, t100
5. MDF cabs

 

[Adieu]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

PS And forget about the Jim Root joke, it has offbrand speakers and is endorsement milking kiddie bait...

if you were looking at the 212 (i don't see a 412 at first glance?), it's also just 100w. And you do NOT wanna throw an industry standard high gain 100w amp at any 100w-rated cab, much less one with knockoff speakers... if going the 212 route, your lowest acceptable wattage to avoid blowing em up would be g12-65's (130w) or v30's (120w or 140w, depending on which company you ask). That's also why the much-loved greenbacks are out, unless you wanna run a full stack of 2x 4x12.

 

[Empty Pockets]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

Get the matching Mesa cab.

 

[KyloTheBird]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

PS And forget about the Jim Root joke, it has offbrand speakers and is endorsement milking kiddie bait...

if you were looking at the 212 (i don't see a 412 at first glance?), it's also just 100w. And you do NOT wanna throw an industry standard high gain 100w amp at any 100w-rated cab, much less one with knockoff speakers... if going the 212 route, your lowest acceptable wattage to avoid blowing em up would be g12-65's (130w) or v30's (120w or 140w, depending on which company you ask). That's also why the much-loved greenbacks are out, unless you wanna run a full stack of 2x 4x12.

What are your thoughts on the Peavey Valve King 412?

 

[dave74]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

What are your thoughts on the Peavey Valve King 412?

If I just needed "something" for the moment, especially if only for low-volume alone practice, and it was next door for $50,,,,,,,,then maybe.

If you can find a recto 412 from the late 90s early 2000 era that would be my choice, specifically the slant-baffled full-tops.
They have a silver/gray piping around the grill-cloth and are rated at 70w/speaker, so 280w total. (the newer units have black piping and a 240w rating)
It doesn't matter on the wattage really, Mesa says it's the exact same speakers, just lowered the rating for sake of uniformity. (sounds a little fishy lol)

Find one in great condition from that era and you can just about be sure it hasn't seen any world tours or anything even close.

$400-$600 (good/like-new)

 

[Gone_Shootin]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

I went round and round with this subject. Tried several cabs and different speakers. In the end, when I finally bought a used Recto 4x12 with it's original V30s in it, that was it.

So, save some cash and get a good used Mesa Recto cab, you won't regret it.

 

[dave74]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

Also the Mesa straight bottom recto-traditional and stiletto 412 will have almost the same internal space as the standard recto slant. Not a huge difference.
They don't show up nearly as often as the standard recto.

 

[KyloTheBird]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

If I just needed "something" for the moment, especially if only for low-volume alone practice, and it was next door for $50,,,,,,,,then maybe.

If you can find a recto 412 from the late 90s early 2000 era that would be my choice, specifically the slant-baffled full-tops.
They have a silver/gray piping around the grill-cloth and are rated at 70w/speaker, so 280w total. (the newer units have black piping and a 240w rating)
It doesn't matter on the wattage really, Mesa says it's the exact same speakers, just lowered the rating for sake of uniformity. (sounds a little fishy lol)

Find one in great condition from that era and you can just about be sure it hasn't seen any world tours or anything even close.

$400-$600 (good/like-new)

I ask because I found one for $80 bucks lol I greatly appreciate all the information you are giving me. This is a lot of useful information.

Seems like so far, The Mesa Boogie cab is the way to go.

Anyone try out the newest Peavey cabs?

 

[InbredJunk]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

In my experience, the boogie cabs sound the best with rectifiers. Wasn't long ago, I scored a traditional 4x12 for 275 bucks.

The traditional cabs definitely tighten the lows better than the over size cabs.

In my opinion, the traditional 4x12 has made every head I've owned sound better.

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[CapoFirstFret]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

Not trying to just sell my own gear but I've got a pretty stellar 1x12 recto cab for sale in the trading forum in this site...

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[Boogie Bill]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

Another vote for a Mesa cab.

I have three of the Half-Back back cabs (one a 212), and for me, these are the best cabs ever. I really like the combination of open and closed back sound. The 412s are small, and the 212 is big for a 212. And you can optimize speakers for each design. I have C-90 Black Shadow Celestions in the top, and EVMs in the bottom. One 412 has all EVM speakers...takes two of us to lift it in the van, but OMG...just glorious sounding.

But the Recto amps are voiced to use the V30, and that's where I'd go. The Tradional cabs will have less bass than the big Recto cabs, but they are hard to find. If you need smaller, I go for the Horizontal Recto V30 212. The Vertical 212 works too, but I prefer the Hor. for the Recto amp.

I wouldn't waste your money on a cheap cab. I's strongly recommend getting a plywood cab rather than an MDF particleboard cab if you will be taking it out of your studio/house. The MDF cabs won't hold up to touring.

On a really tight budget, I would look for one of the Peavey cabs from the late '80s to mid '90s. I believed these are marked "412MS". Well-built cabs.

Bill

 

[vmbarrera]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

Another vote for recto cab!

 

[Cynical]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

I'll be the contrary one and say I don't care for the Recto cab; it's simultaneously boomy and fizzy, and really distant sounding.

I'd say go Marshall 1960V (that V is important, don't get the regular 1960), or, if you want something a bit more "modern" sounding that doesn't make you vanish like the Recto cab will, a Bogner Uberkab.

 

[Van Noord]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

I bought my Stiletto slant 412 new in 2003, and it's been the best cabinet I've ever owned or played.
It has gray piping and is rated at 280w
After 15 years of use, the Vintage 30s sound incredible.

 

[Adieu]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

What are your thoughts on the Peavey Valve King 412?

Atrocious. Chinese with noname speakers.

Good Peavey = 80s maybe 90s Peavey

Again, spend 200 to 400 bucks at CL/pawnshop/used section in a guitar store and buy something top of the line

 

[Jeff5]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

Get the Mesa cab like others said. And wait for a used deal. I'm not sure where you live, but Mesa cabs are pretty popular, so there is usually a decent used market anywhere. They can be found used for $500 or so, less if it is a bit beat up.

The cab will not tighten up your Recto though. You really need an Overdrive out front to do that.

 

[Adieu]

Re: Cab that pairs well with a Dual Recto

The cab will not tighten up your Recto though. You really need an Overdrive out front to do that.

Or a different speaker choice