Can anyone identify this mystery black back 'bucker?
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Gibson 1964
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I might look at the 4 conductor wiring and see whose wiring scheme it matches.
I might look at the 4 conductor wiring and see whose wiring scheme it matches.
beaubrummels
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Looks like a neck humbucker, judging by the width.
Looks like a neck humbucker, judging by the width.
Edgecrusher
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Since when have their been separate spacings for neck humbuckers? Theres only F or G spacing as far as I know.
Since when have their been separate spacings for neck humbuckers? Theres only F or G spacing as far as I know.
LtKojak
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So you don't know much...
G-spacing in '50s P.A.F. humbucker's been 47.2mm used for several archtops, mostly models made after artists, for the neck ONLY, the "standard" then was 49.5mm. In P-90s, the polepiece spread's been 50.8mm forever. In the '60s they "normalize" to the de facto 49.2mm standard used in BBs, '57 Classics and Dirty Fingers for both p'ups, and the 49.2mm for the NECK in 490Rs and 496Rs and 52.3mm in 490Ts, 498Ts and 500Ts.
Di Marzio has a proprietary 48.6mm polepiece spread and a "F-spaced" 51.05mm.
Duncan has the proprietary Trembucker format, which has a 52.3 polepiece spread, but the bobbins and baseplates are narrower in width than "standard", so only their covers will fit their p'ups.
Now you know more!
HTH,
So you don't know much...
G-spacing in '50s P.A.F. humbucker's been 47.2mm used for several archtops, mostly models made after artists, for the neck ONLY, the "standard" then was 49.5mm. In P-90s, the polepiece spread's been 50.8mm forever. In the '60s they "normalize" to the de facto 49.2mm standard used in BBs, '57 Classics and Dirty Fingers for both p'ups, and the 49.2mm for the NECK in 490Rs and 496Rs and 52.3mm in 490Ts, 498Ts and 500Ts.
Di Marzio has a proprietary 48.6mm polepiece spread and a "F-spaced" 51.05mm.
Duncan has the proprietary Trembucker format, which has a 52.3 polepiece spread, but the bobbins and baseplates are narrower in width than "standard", so only their covers will fit their p'ups.
Now you know more!
HTH,
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Edgecrusher
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This is obviously not a PAF from an archtop Its obviously not a P90. So all that is moot the only part I didnt know was that they had two spacings for neck and bridge on gibsons own pickups. But I dare anyone to claim that they can see .3mm in that photo
As for the snark... Well lets just say you can keep it out of the sunshine.
So you don't know much...
G-spacing in '50s P.A.F. humbucker's been 47.2mm used in several archtops in the neck ONLY, the rest were 49.5mm. In P-90s, the polepiece spread's 50.8mm. In the '60s they "normalize" to the de facto 49.2mm standard used in BBs, '57 Classics and Dirty Fingers for both p'ups, and the 49.2mm for the NECK in 490Rs and 496Rs and 52.3mm in 490Ts, 498Ts and 500Ts.
Di Marzio has a proprietary 48.6mm polepiece spread and a "F-spaced" 51.05mm.
Duncan has the proprietary Trembucker format, which has a 52.3 polepiece spread, but the bobbins and baseplates are narrower than "standard", so only their covers will fit their p'ups.
Now you know more!
HTH,
This is obviously not a PAF from an archtop Its obviously not a P90. So all that is moot the only part I didnt know was that they had two spacings for neck and bridge on gibsons own pickups. But I dare anyone to claim that they can see .3mm in that photo
As for the snark... Well lets just say you can keep it out of the sunshine.
LtKojak
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Those HB bobbins look like Toneriders to me, but I've never seen a Tonerider p'up with black baseplates.
They're most probably asian-made, but from a hi-quality p'up series.
HTH,
Those HB bobbins look like Toneriders to me, but I've never seen a Tonerider p'up with black baseplates.
They're most probably asian-made, but from a hi-quality p'up series.
HTH,
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Not a PAF or from an archtop??? How did you arrive at THAT conclusion? We have no idea at present what replica of what these may in fact be from
Btw black plastic on the baseplate (w/metal underneath) was featured on wha****name's letter-ampersand-letter oem korean pickups for Parkers and PRS SEs, some or all of the time. Only place I am sure I definitely saw smthn like this was actually on a quite decent made-for-parker stock PAF copy (lol)
Not a PAF or from an archtop??? How did you arrive at THAT conclusion? We have no idea at present what replica of what these may in fact be from
Btw black plastic on the baseplate (w/metal underneath) was featured on wha****name's letter-ampersand-letter oem korean pickups for Parkers and PRS SEs, some or all of the time. Only place I am sure I definitely saw smthn like this was actually on a quite decent made-for-parker stock PAF copy (lol)
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LtKojak
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The one you're referring to is G&B, maker for OEM p'ups for the better Korean intruments, like PRS, Gretsch, etc.
HTH,
The one you're referring to is G&B, maker for OEM p'ups for the better Korean intruments, like PRS, Gretsch, etc.
HTH,
LtKojak
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And all the rest...?
You call it "snark"? I'd just call it "fact", but hey! What do *I* know, huh?
And all the rest...?
You call it "snark"? I'd just call it "fact", but hey! What do *I* know, huh?
beaubrummels
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Hey Edge, recently in another thread we were talking about how my Seth poles didn't line up when installed in my SG and it was pointed out to me that Gibson introduced a different spacing for their bridge pickups to match their bridges and which is not far off to what Fender Strat pickups have. So I got out my SG and sure enough the stock pickups had different spacing between bridge and neck. Seeing the OP pickup next to a Strat pickup, that's what I based my comment on.
Hey Edge, recently in another thread we were talking about how my Seth poles didn't line up when installed in my SG and it was pointed out to me that Gibson introduced a different spacing for their bridge pickups to match their bridges and which is not far off to what Fender Strat pickups have. So I got out my SG and sure enough the stock pickups had different spacing between bridge and neck. Seeing the OP pickup next to a Strat pickup, that's what I based my comment on.
Big Flannel
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Man, so much hostility over spacing...
Man, so much hostility over spacing...
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Funkfingers
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Good choice. The bridge position unit has a higher resistance value than the neck/middle model and a different magnet length pattern. IMO, would go nicely in a Rawk-oriented Strat.
Good choice. The bridge position unit has a higher resistance value than the neck/middle model and a different magnet length pattern. IMO, would go nicely in a Rawk-oriented Strat.
Re: Can anyone identify this mystery black back 'bucker?
But how can anyone tell the difference by sight? I feel dazed at the prospect of having to be able to measure pickup dimensions by sight looking at photos on a computer screen taken with a smartphone in order to be a proficient, well... occupational pickup enthusiast?
So you don't know much...
G-spacing in '50s P.A.F. humbucker's been 47.2mm used for several archtops, mostly models made after artists, for the neck ONLY, the "standard" then was 49.5mm. In P-90s, the polepiece spread's been 50.8mm forever. In the '60s they "normalize" to the de facto 49.2mm standard used in BBs, '57 Classics and Dirty Fingers for both p'ups, and the 49.2mm for the NECK in 490Rs and 496Rs and 52.3mm in 490Ts, 498Ts and 500Ts.
Di Marzio has a proprietary 48.6mm polepiece spread and a "F-spaced" 51.05mm.
Duncan has the proprietary Trembucker format, which has a 52.3 polepiece spread, but the bobbins and baseplates are narrower in width than "standard", so only their covers will fit their p'ups.
Now you know more!
HTH,
But how can anyone tell the difference by sight? I feel dazed at the prospect of having to be able to measure pickup dimensions by sight looking at photos on a computer screen taken with a smartphone in order to be a proficient, well... occupational pickup enthusiast?
beaubrummels
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I can. If you've spent any number of years in manufacturing where you have to Q.C. products to specs using calipers, being able to sight differences in dimension and alignment becomes an acquired skill. In my case I spent several years in thick-film chip manufacturing.
I can. If you've spent any number of years in manufacturing where you have to Q.C. products to specs using calipers, being able to sight differences in dimension and alignment becomes an acquired skill. In my case I spent several years in thick-film chip manufacturing.
Masta' C
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I'm 99.999% certain you're looking at an OEM, Asian-made humbucker. No telling from where or what guitar, but I've seen identical black-backed units with square feet, double-drilled baseplates, brass screws and no markings on some of the older Sterling (or OLP...can't remember) guitars. Single conductor leads that are not braided point to OEM more often than not and the fact that the pickup is completely unmarked usually speaks to the same. If it's anything like the pickups mentioned above, it probably sounds half-decent, which is why only the singles were upgraded.
I'm 99.999% certain you're looking at an OEM, Asian-made humbucker. No telling from where or what guitar, but I've seen identical black-backed units with square feet, double-drilled baseplates, brass screws and no markings on some of the older Sterling (or OLP...can't remember) guitars. Single conductor leads that are not braided point to OEM more often than not and the fact that the pickup is completely unmarked usually speaks to the same. If it's anything like the pickups mentioned above, it probably sounds half-decent, which is why only the singles were upgraded.
squatch57
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Thanks for the info guys, much appreciated
I just thought it might be something half decent if the guy matched it with the Fury's
(or he's just thrown it in to make a set for ebay, heh)
Anyway, I'll find a Fury bridge (or other suitable stack) to make a set
I don't have any 'bucker routed bodies anyway with the relics I'm building
Thanks for the info guys, much appreciated
I just thought it might be something half decent if the guy matched it with the Fury's
(or he's just thrown it in to make a set for ebay, heh)
Anyway, I'll find a Fury bridge (or other suitable stack) to make a set
I don't have any 'bucker routed bodies anyway with the relics I'm building