Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
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ginormous
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Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
We can say "I disapprove of your statement" without resorting to name-calling. In fact, it's the law in this forum.
Having said that...
Not a good idea, guys. An insult is an insult. Insulting other members is a one-point infraction.
We can say "I disapprove of your statement" without resorting to name-calling. In fact, it's the law in this forum.
Having said that...
Archer250
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Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
That explains... things...
That explains... things...
GuitarStv
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Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
Just razzin' you for a poor choice of words.
I suspect that there are few on this forum who regularly use heavily scooped mids . . . after the bass eats your low frequencies and the hi-hat eats your upper ones it makes it much too hard to be heard with a band.
Just razzin' you for a poor choice of words.
I suspect that there are few on this forum who regularly use heavily scooped mids . . . after the bass eats your low frequencies and the hi-hat eats your upper ones it makes it much too hard to be heard with a band.
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Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
This is probably why bareknuckle pickups have risen in popularity with metal players, they have that touch sensitive and dynamic sound, but with high output and clean up amazingly well... they also cost the big bucks tho...
This is probably why bareknuckle pickups have risen in popularity with metal players, they have that touch sensitive and dynamic sound, but with high output and clean up amazingly well... they also cost the big bucks tho...
DreX
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Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
Something doesn't add up about that. We're to suppose that there's a solution to the problem of achieving high output and achieving good dynamic range, and that this solution uses conventional materials but for some reason costs a bit more, and BKP has discovered this secret formula that has eluded other pickup winders for over sixty years, and the difference is not one that has ever been measured, unlike so many other areas of industry that live and die my metrics of range and tolerance, no all we got here is "I like how BKP sounds, I think it was worth the money."
Something doesn't add up about that. We're to suppose that there's a solution to the problem of achieving high output and achieving good dynamic range, and that this solution uses conventional materials but for some reason costs a bit more, and BKP has discovered this secret formula that has eluded other pickup winders for over sixty years, and the difference is not one that has ever been measured, unlike so many other areas of industry that live and die my metrics of range and tolerance, no all we got here is "I like how BKP sounds, I think it was worth the money."
Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
I use a low output pickup and it does fine in high gain situations, with the addition of a little high end presence that overwound pickups tend to lack. My amp has more gain than I will ever use, and hitting the front end any harder than I am is pointless. I really only use a small amount of compression for that clean sparkle that I love, but is pretty much not even noticeable when I hit my gain preset/channel.
The benefit IS that my cleans are easier to achieve without having to back off my volume. Oh yeah, and I don't use any kind of pickup booster or EQ to get my high gain sounds, I just usually have to run my gain on 7 instead of 5.
I use a low output pickup and it does fine in high gain situations, with the addition of a little high end presence that overwound pickups tend to lack. My amp has more gain than I will ever use, and hitting the front end any harder than I am is pointless. I really only use a small amount of compression for that clean sparkle that I love, but is pretty much not even noticeable when I hit my gain preset/channel.
The benefit IS that my cleans are easier to achieve without having to back off my volume. Oh yeah, and I don't use any kind of pickup booster or EQ to get my high gain sounds, I just usually have to run my gain on 7 instead of 5.
El Supremo
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Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
With the current exchange rate between dollars and euros? Britain still had pounds though. Smart buggers.
With the current exchange rate between dollars and euros? Britain still had pounds though. Smart buggers.
xntrick
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Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
The tone isn't quite the same. I remember when I had the Blackout AHB-2, such a great chugging pickup with a great metal tone. Couldn't do a clean tone at all. I put the EMG 60 in the same guitar, great clean tone but even when I overload the gain to 'chugging' level it didn't sound like the AHB-2.
The tone isn't quite the same. I remember when I had the Blackout AHB-2, such a great chugging pickup with a great metal tone. Couldn't do a clean tone at all. I put the EMG 60 in the same guitar, great clean tone but even when I overload the gain to 'chugging' level it didn't sound like the AHB-2.
Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
I'll add a caveat from my own experience - sometimes pickups can surprise you. I have a Carvin neckthru with a Dimarzio Evolution and a no-name cool rails type in it. They do clean much better than I expected. They still compress heavily when they get to that inbetween area - so this is their weak spot.
I'll add a caveat from my own experience - sometimes pickups can surprise you. I have a Carvin neckthru with a Dimarzio Evolution and a no-name cool rails type in it. They do clean much better than I expected. They still compress heavily when they get to that inbetween area - so this is their weak spot.
LtKojak
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Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
Let me guess: fluids originated in Kentucky AND Tennessee were involved...?
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Johnny the Kid
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Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
I mean, those are some pretty thick strings. 11-54 would be what I consider "medium top, heavy bottom" or "Dick Dale Lights."
I mean, those are some pretty thick strings. 11-54 would be what I consider "medium top, heavy bottom" or "Dick Dale Lights."
GuitarStv
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Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
Damned thirteen fingered freaks.
Damned thirteen fingered freaks.
xxxplorer
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Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
I have tried and tried and tried to get a paf style pickup to sound and feel right for the heavy stuff, and in my experience, they just don't hold up right and do what I want.
I LOVE the Wagner Ironman pickups. 22K. Hot, but controllable. Better clean up than most other people's lower output pickups too.
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I have tried and tried and tried to get a paf style pickup to sound and feel right for the heavy stuff, and in my experience, they just don't hold up right and do what I want.
I LOVE the Wagner Ironman pickups. 22K. Hot, but controllable. Better clean up than most other people's lower output pickups too.
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Metalblaze
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Re: Can low output pickups really imitate hi-gain pu's with pedals/and enough gain?
I think there is a boundary were the distinction gets very clear even with the right setup. I could never get the VHPAF to sound like a Steve's Special in terms of speed. Notes were too much blending together in fast solos.
The thing is, yeah you can emulate a high output pickup with a low output one using compressors. But what if you put the high output one under compressor too? It will always be faster.
I think there is a boundary were the distinction gets very clear even with the right setup. I could never get the VHPAF to sound like a Steve's Special in terms of speed. Notes were too much blending together in fast solos.
The thing is, yeah you can emulate a high output pickup with a low output one using compressors. But what if you put the high output one under compressor too? It will always be faster.
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