LLL
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Facebook link for Kiesel/Carvin Guitars.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1526870070929623&fref=nf
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1526870070929623&fref=nf
Carvin Guitars Is Splitting Up
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kramersteen
PowerMetalRaph
Re: Carvin Guitars Is Splitting Up
Neil zaza is ****ing sweet as it gets.
Neil zaza is ****ing sweet as it gets.
Snake Aces
Singlecut Slut
Snake Aces
Singlecut Slut
Re: Carvin Guitars Is Splitting Up
I must say, I have never been impressed with Carvin's lower end guitars but their custom shop and higher end instruments have been pretty solid through the years so the big loser here is Carvin.
That being said, I have been impressed with some Carvin guitar amps and even some of their pickups over the years as I have played with some bandmates that have used them.
I must say, I have never been impressed with Carvin's lower end guitars but their custom shop and higher end instruments have been pretty solid through the years so the big loser here is Carvin.
That being said, I have been impressed with some Carvin guitar amps and even some of their pickups over the years as I have played with some bandmates that have used them.
Kamanda~SD
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Re: Carvin Guitars Is Splitting Up
What the **** is this ****?
Carvin's higher end offerings are impeccable, was considering one down the line.
What the **** is this ****?
Carvin's higher end offerings are impeccable, was considering one down the line.
St_Genesius
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Re: Carvin Guitars Is Splitting Up
I honestly don't know who Carvin guitars are for, but they're not for me. I assume these new Kiesels won't be for me either.
But hey, if I ever want an over-the-top quilt on a signature model for a player I've never heard of, with a headstock that is so firmly rooted in the late 80s that it might as well come with a mullet and a Trapper Keeper...at least I'll have some choices.
I honestly don't know who Carvin guitars are for, but they're not for me. I assume these new Kiesels won't be for me either.
But hey, if I ever want an over-the-top quilt on a signature model for a player I've never heard of, with a headstock that is so firmly rooted in the late 80s that it might as well come with a mullet and a Trapper Keeper...at least I'll have some choices.
Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
Re: Carvin Guitars Is Splitting Up
If they're smart, they'll keep Carvin pickups out of the Kiesels, and ship them with SD's.
And also, wire them up with high quality components. That should be the difference between the Carvin models and Kiesel models.
If they're smart, they'll keep Carvin pickups out of the Kiesels, and ship them with SD's.
And also, wire them up with high quality components. That should be the difference between the Carvin models and Kiesel models.
kramersteen
PowerMetalRaph
Re: Carvin Guitars Is Splitting Up
They dont really build ''anything'' you still need to stick to their guidelines and styles.
Wheres the explorer option?
They dont really build ''anything'' you still need to stick to their guidelines and styles.
Wheres the explorer option?
KeeperOS
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Re: Carvin Guitars Is Splitting Up
I honestly don't "get" the low-end and mid-end distinction. The way I see it the only difference in pricing comes from the premium in their more exotic features, very few of which actually do anything for the sound and playability of the guitar (few do though).
If they do create a tangible barrier between their lines like better hardware and electronics then I guess it'd make it more clear, but from what I see they'll simply switch to the Kiesel brand once the guitar has a couple of boutique features like exotic woods or complex finishes.
In the video they do mention their Kiesel pickups, not sure what the difference will be from their Carvin ones...
It will be interesting to see nevertheless...
I honestly don't "get" the low-end and mid-end distinction. The way I see it the only difference in pricing comes from the premium in their more exotic features, very few of which actually do anything for the sound and playability of the guitar (few do though).
If they do create a tangible barrier between their lines like better hardware and electronics then I guess it'd make it more clear, but from what I see they'll simply switch to the Kiesel brand once the guitar has a couple of boutique features like exotic woods or complex finishes.
In the video they do mention their Kiesel pickups, not sure what the difference will be from their Carvin ones...
It will be interesting to see nevertheless...
kherman
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Re: Carvin Guitars Is Splitting Up
Never has been a "build quality" hierarchy in the Carvin guitars.
Doesn't matter if you build a DC125 or a DC400. Same factory, same people, same build quality.
Same goes for a CT3 vs CT6 and all other Carvins.
Carvin is not like Ibanez where there's MIJ, MIK, and MII with different build qualities.
Kiesel guitars is basically a renaming of the "option 50" that Carvin has been doing for a long time and has become more common. You've always paid an upcharge for option "50". If you do "option 50's" you can get Kiesel logo. Then people automatically know it's a "option 50" guitar.
Same people, same factory, same build quality. Matter of fact if you rather have a Carvin logo on your Kiesel Vader you can get it.
And as far as the Kiesel branded guitars. Think of it like the "original" Charvel/Jackson. Charvel was the traditional straight forward super strats. Jackson was the more radical out there shapes (Randy Rhoads Concord V). Same factory, same people, same build quality.
Kiesels branded guitars will be the more out there. Carvin will be the traditional Carvin models.
Never has been a "build quality" hierarchy in the Carvin guitars.
Doesn't matter if you build a DC125 or a DC400. Same factory, same people, same build quality.
Same goes for a CT3 vs CT6 and all other Carvins.
Carvin is not like Ibanez where there's MIJ, MIK, and MII with different build qualities.
Kiesel guitars is basically a renaming of the "option 50" that Carvin has been doing for a long time and has become more common. You've always paid an upcharge for option "50". If you do "option 50's" you can get Kiesel logo. Then people automatically know it's a "option 50" guitar.
Same people, same factory, same build quality. Matter of fact if you rather have a Carvin logo on your Kiesel Vader you can get it.
And as far as the Kiesel branded guitars. Think of it like the "original" Charvel/Jackson. Charvel was the traditional straight forward super strats. Jackson was the more radical out there shapes (Randy Rhoads Concord V). Same factory, same people, same build quality.
Kiesels branded guitars will be the more out there. Carvin will be the traditional Carvin models.
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uOpt
Something Cool
Re: Carvin Guitars Is Splitting Up
Bulletproof glass like plastic shell. Ruins pretty much anything.
Bulletproof glass like plastic shell. Ruins pretty much anything.
Johnny the Kid
Shaunofthedeadologist
Re: Carvin Guitars Is Splitting Up
From what I gather from the video, Carvin's guitars will stay the same quality. Kiesel will instead take over for the more "labor intensive" guitars. Things like the beveled Telecaster that they have. I wouldn't be surprised if the Keisel Guitars feature more carved tops. The two companies will be related, but I guess it allows them to focus on a small number of extremely high labor intense guitars rather than the large number of Carvin guitars. I also think that this will allow the brand to have more exotic features and wood selection.
From what I gather from the video, Carvin's guitars will stay the same quality. Kiesel will instead take over for the more "labor intensive" guitars. Things like the beveled Telecaster that they have. I wouldn't be surprised if the Keisel Guitars feature more carved tops. The two companies will be related, but I guess it allows them to focus on a small number of extremely high labor intense guitars rather than the large number of Carvin guitars. I also think that this will allow the brand to have more exotic features and wood selection.
Detroitblues
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Re: Carvin Guitars Is Splitting Up
Guitars are instruments that cannot be chosen purely on cosmetics and appointments; you really need to play them first to get a feel for them. I've never bought a Carvin for that very reason. If I can't try before I buy, I don't buy. That being said, I have friends that can spend big bucks on an Alembic, but yet they love Carvins, particularly their basses.
Guitars are instruments that cannot be chosen purely on cosmetics and appointments; you really need to play them first to get a feel for them. I've never bought a Carvin for that very reason. If I can't try before I buy, I don't buy. That being said, I have friends that can spend big bucks on an Alembic, but yet they love Carvins, particularly their basses.
jmh151
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Re: Carvin Guitars Is Splitting Up
Carvins are excellent guitars. Basically all these years they were known as the affordable alternative to a Custom Jackson, Custom PRS, Custom Shop Fender- in other words, they were copying other brands. When any guitar became popular- like a PRS, they copied it, when 7 or 8 strings became popular, they copied it, and they were often very slow to do so.
It seems Carvin is now trying to put their resources into developing new, innovative guitars rather than copying others, and that's where the Kiesel line comes in. Just look at the Vader line, or SCB line- there's nothing like that on the market. Since Carvin is a small company with instruments built to order, they can come up with an idea and much faster put it into production, or build it, than a bigger company.
Carvins are excellent guitars. Basically all these years they were known as the affordable alternative to a Custom Jackson, Custom PRS, Custom Shop Fender- in other words, they were copying other brands. When any guitar became popular- like a PRS, they copied it, when 7 or 8 strings became popular, they copied it, and they were often very slow to do so.
It seems Carvin is now trying to put their resources into developing new, innovative guitars rather than copying others, and that's where the Kiesel line comes in. Just look at the Vader line, or SCB line- there's nothing like that on the market. Since Carvin is a small company with instruments built to order, they can come up with an idea and much faster put it into production, or build it, than a bigger company.
Aasinsilta
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Re: Carvin Guitars Is Splitting Up
I thought the split was more about the audio equipment and instrument divisions parting ways more than them rebranding some of the Carvin guitars. Still not sure why they would do that, if they plan to keep the product lines the same.
I thought the split was more about the audio equipment and instrument divisions parting ways more than them rebranding some of the Carvin guitars. Still not sure why they would do that, if they plan to keep the product lines the same.
Re: Carvin Guitars Is Splitting Up
No, as Kherman said, Carvin branded guitars are going to be done JUST the same.. But the Kiesel models are going to be more hands on, probably more ornate and Im sure a bit more pricey. HOWEVER, the prices they indicated in the introductory video the Kiesel's did, the pricing was alot lower than I would have guessed. Closer to the $2k range.
No, as Kherman said, Carvin branded guitars are going to be done JUST the same.. But the Kiesel models are going to be more hands on, probably more ornate and Im sure a bit more pricey. HOWEVER, the prices they indicated in the introductory video the Kiesel's did, the pricing was alot lower than I would have guessed. Closer to the $2k range.
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