Celestion G12H Anniversary vs WGS Reaper (30 watt)
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MetalManiac
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Re: Celestion G12H Anniversary vs WGS Reaper (30 watt)
I don't believe that WGS are any good at all.
If I had to go with something other than Celestion, I'd go Eminence. IMO< there really isnt any reason not to buy Eminence if you cant afford or for any other reason dont choose Celesstion.
Eminenece flagship speakers are superb, and while their regular line does not sound as good as the Ceklestions they try to clone, they still sound great , and their warrnaty is the best in the business, much better than Celestion.
If your break and you need a speak, then hey, WGs, but dont kid yourself about what it is your getting.
Okay teenyboppers..lemme have it.
I don't believe that WGS are any good at all.
If I had to go with something other than Celestion, I'd go Eminence. IMO< there really isnt any reason not to buy Eminence if you cant afford or for any other reason dont choose Celesstion.
Eminenece flagship speakers are superb, and while their regular line does not sound as good as the Ceklestions they try to clone, they still sound great , and their warrnaty is the best in the business, much better than Celestion.
If your break and you need a speak, then hey, WGs, but dont kid yourself about what it is your getting.
Okay teenyboppers..lemme have it.
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CTN
The Drama Dude
Re: Celestion G12H Anniversary vs WGS Reaper (30 watt)
Jer, you're full o' crap.
Have you ever played WGS speakers? they are every bit as good as Celestions. They're made in the USA for pete's sake, what more do you want?
WGS speakers are not exact duplicates of Celestions. But then again WGS doesn't claim to be duplicating them exactly either. They iron out the kinks that people don't like about certain Celestion speakers, and some others too.
I've used Celestions, Eminences and Jensens, and now I'm using a pair of Celestions and a pair of WGS Retro 30s. And you know what? they're fantastic. I MUCH prefer them to Celestion Vintage 30s. They're crisper in the high end (in a pleasing way), less spiky in the midrange, and more solid in the low end.
Do yourself a favour bro...form your opinions on experience, not hearsay.
Jer, you're full o' crap.
Have you ever played WGS speakers? they are every bit as good as Celestions. They're made in the USA for pete's sake, what more do you want?
WGS speakers are not exact duplicates of Celestions. But then again WGS doesn't claim to be duplicating them exactly either. They iron out the kinks that people don't like about certain Celestion speakers, and some others too.
I've used Celestions, Eminences and Jensens, and now I'm using a pair of Celestions and a pair of WGS Retro 30s. And you know what? they're fantastic. I MUCH prefer them to Celestion Vintage 30s. They're crisper in the high end (in a pleasing way), less spiky in the midrange, and more solid in the low end.
Do yourself a favour bro...form your opinions on experience, not hearsay.
MetalManiac
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Re: Celestion G12H Anniversary vs WGS Reaper (30 watt)
You know what man. All I said was I dont belive WGS speakers are any good why dont you back the hell off any let a person express an opinion??
But really, no biggie. Im not gonna say your full of it for likingthem, even though it may be whayt I'm thinking. I dont like em,and I wont use em, and I don't think they are very good..I don't even need top try one. Im sure they are okay.. more power to you if you love them, but for me, thy are cheap subs of a great speaker. If I have to use something difefrent than CVelstions, I go Eminence. What crime did I commit saying that?
PS hey, are they really that good? I might have to give one a shot..
You know what man. All I said was I dont belive WGS speakers are any good why dont you back the hell off any let a person express an opinion??
But really, no biggie. Im not gonna say your full of it for likingthem, even though it may be whayt I'm thinking. I dont like em,and I wont use em, and I don't think they are very good..I don't even need top try one. Im sure they are okay.. more power to you if you love them, but for me, thy are cheap subs of a great speaker. If I have to use something difefrent than CVelstions, I go Eminence. What crime did I commit saying that?
PS hey, are they really that good? I might have to give one a shot..
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IM4Tone
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Re: Celestion G12H Anniversary vs WGS Reaper (30 watt)
I have two 2X12 cabinets: one loaded w/ a V30 and a G12H and the other w/ a WGS Retro 30 and a Reaper HP. WGS bills them as their 'counterparts' (my choice of words) to the two Celestions mentioned.
To me, they sound nothing alike. They are darker and 'grittier'. I like their sound, but don't expect it to be the Celestion sound. If you prefer pristine clean, the Celestions would be my choice. The WGS sound their best w/ crunch and distortion. They took a very long time to break-in (around 100 hrs) as opposed to probably half that with the Celestions.
I would not call them "cheap" from a quality standpoint, but price-wise, they were around half that of the Celestions.
I recently tried my first Eminence speaker (although it is nothing similar in terms of application to the four mentioned above. It is a Legend 1518.) The next time I decide to experiment with speaker changes or 'load' a new cabinet, I'll probably go w/ Eminence. If you're after volume, they have much higher efficiencies compared to Celestions and WGS FWIW.
Speakers make a major difference in tone/sound IMO....much more that changing brands (not types) of tubes. I think that the specific amp, guitar pup's (i.e. single coil, P-90, filter'tron, humbuckers) and genre of music dictate which speaker(s) sounds best. There are just too many variables for someone to tell you which one is best for you. And unfortunately, finding your 'right one' can be expensive!
I have two 2X12 cabinets: one loaded w/ a V30 and a G12H and the other w/ a WGS Retro 30 and a Reaper HP. WGS bills them as their 'counterparts' (my choice of words) to the two Celestions mentioned.
To me, they sound nothing alike. They are darker and 'grittier'. I like their sound, but don't expect it to be the Celestion sound. If you prefer pristine clean, the Celestions would be my choice. The WGS sound their best w/ crunch and distortion. They took a very long time to break-in (around 100 hrs) as opposed to probably half that with the Celestions.
I would not call them "cheap" from a quality standpoint, but price-wise, they were around half that of the Celestions.
I recently tried my first Eminence speaker (although it is nothing similar in terms of application to the four mentioned above. It is a Legend 1518.) The next time I decide to experiment with speaker changes or 'load' a new cabinet, I'll probably go w/ Eminence. If you're after volume, they have much higher efficiencies compared to Celestions and WGS FWIW.
Speakers make a major difference in tone/sound IMO....much more that changing brands (not types) of tubes. I think that the specific amp, guitar pup's (i.e. single coil, P-90, filter'tron, humbuckers) and genre of music dictate which speaker(s) sounds best. There are just too many variables for someone to tell you which one is best for you. And unfortunately, finding your 'right one' can be expensive!
CTN
The Drama Dude
Re: Celestion G12H Anniversary vs WGS Reaper (30 watt)
Because your opinion isn't based on personal experience, just speculation, hearsay. It's an uninformed opinion!
How will you know if they are good or not without ever trying them?
Nothing wrong with that. I have issue with you putting down a brand of really great speakers without having any experience with them or proof that they are actually inferior.
YES THEY ARE! Try them, you will be quite surprised.
Megagwar
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Re: Celestion G12H Anniversary vs WGS Reaper (30 watt)
Thanks for the response guys. I have WGS Veterans 30s and I LOVE THEM. They seem to be "fuller" compared to the Celestion V30s... So I have experience with WGS. And for 2 WGS speakers for the price of 1 Celestion, come on! Great pricing. I was just wondering if anyone had tried the WGS Reapers and wanted to see what they thought. I might just get some anyways....
Thanks for the response guys. I have WGS Veterans 30s and I LOVE THEM. They seem to be "fuller" compared to the Celestion V30s... So I have experience with WGS. And for 2 WGS speakers for the price of 1 Celestion, come on! Great pricing. I was just wondering if anyone had tried the WGS Reapers and wanted to see what they thought. I might just get some anyways....
Juanhanglo
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Re: Celestion G12H Anniversary vs WGS Reaper (30 watt)
Wgs is yet another speaker manufacturer. Much like ford chevy and chrysler.
Wgs are not cheap speakers by any means. They are sold direct from the manufacturer. THAT is why the price is so low. As far as being "copies", how many companies base their products on their competitor's?
Like it or not, wgs must be doing something right because celestion lowered their prices on the heritage series, and FINALLY came out with a higher powered greenback. Strange how wgs did it first with the invader?
They are kind of like hyundai in that instance.
The big boys dismissed them at first. Now, they are one of the top selling brands with quality equal to or better than honda and toyota. ( i say this mainly due to the huge recalls honda and toyota had in the last few years. No such thing for hyundai)
Oh, wgs also let's you do one exchange if you don't like the speaker you chose. Who else does that?
Competition is good. It forces the establishment to be more competitive or die.
Wgs is yet another speaker manufacturer. Much like ford chevy and chrysler.
Wgs are not cheap speakers by any means. They are sold direct from the manufacturer. THAT is why the price is so low. As far as being "copies", how many companies base their products on their competitor's?
Like it or not, wgs must be doing something right because celestion lowered their prices on the heritage series, and FINALLY came out with a higher powered greenback. Strange how wgs did it first with the invader?
They are kind of like hyundai in that instance.
The big boys dismissed them at first. Now, they are one of the top selling brands with quality equal to or better than honda and toyota. ( i say this mainly due to the huge recalls honda and toyota had in the last few years. No such thing for hyundai)
Oh, wgs also let's you do one exchange if you don't like the speaker you chose. Who else does that?
Competition is good. It forces the establishment to be more competitive or die.
misterwhizzy
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Ascension
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Re: Celestion G12H Anniversary vs WGS Reaper (30 watt)
Yes the WGS's ARE really that good. Good enough that I swapped all my Celestian Vin 30's in open back cabs for WGS Vet 30's after doing a head to head listen back to back same amp same cab.
I currently own Celsetians, Eminences and the WGS's and the WGS are up to both the other brands. They are all different and have their good and bad points. However I will say in particular the WGS Vet 30's SLAM in an open back 1/12 combo for a thick smooth heavy crunch tone BIG time!!
You know what man. All I said was I dont belive WGS speakers are any good why dont you back the hell off any let a person express an opinion??
But really, no biggie. Im not gonna say your full of it for likingthem, even though it may be whayt I'm thinking. I dont like em,and I wont use em, and I don't think they are very good..I don't even need top try one. Im sure they are okay.. more power to you if you love them, but for me, thy are cheap subs of a great speaker. If I have to use something difefrent than CVelstions, I go Eminence. What crime did I commit saying that?
PS hey, are they really that good? I might have to give one a shot..
Yes the WGS's ARE really that good. Good enough that I swapped all my Celestian Vin 30's in open back cabs for WGS Vet 30's after doing a head to head listen back to back same amp same cab.
I currently own Celsetians, Eminences and the WGS's and the WGS are up to both the other brands. They are all different and have their good and bad points. However I will say in particular the WGS Vet 30's SLAM in an open back 1/12 combo for a thick smooth heavy crunch tone BIG time!!
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Ascension
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Re: Celestion G12H Anniversary vs WGS Reaper (30 watt)
I'm interested in this one myself as I have a pair of the H30's in a 2/12.
I was surprised by the Vin 30- Vet 30 difference so I would guess they will be pretty different in tone.
What I saw with the Vet 30/Vin 30 head to heads I did was the Vets were fatter and bigger on the bottom and the Vin 30's more pronounced in the mid with a little more on top.
I liked the WGS Vet's in an open back cab or combo MUCH better than the Vin 30's due to the bigger bottom and smoother top.
I liked the Vin 30's better in a bigger closed back cab as they had more over all clarity and the big bottom on the WGS's got Wolfie at times.
I found I could live with the Vet's in a closed back cab but HATED the BLARING harsh mids AND zingy high end with the Vin 30's in an open back cab so over all the nod went to the WGS.
I'm interested in this one myself as I have a pair of the H30's in a 2/12.
I was surprised by the Vin 30- Vet 30 difference so I would guess they will be pretty different in tone.
What I saw with the Vet 30/Vin 30 head to heads I did was the Vets were fatter and bigger on the bottom and the Vin 30's more pronounced in the mid with a little more on top.
I liked the WGS Vet's in an open back cab or combo MUCH better than the Vin 30's due to the bigger bottom and smoother top.
I liked the Vin 30's better in a bigger closed back cab as they had more over all clarity and the big bottom on the WGS's got Wolfie at times.
I found I could live with the Vet's in a closed back cab but HATED the BLARING harsh mids AND zingy high end with the Vin 30's in an open back cab so over all the nod went to the WGS.
MetalManiac
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Re: Celestion G12H Anniversary vs WGS Reaper (30 watt)
I dont actually get it Sir. In case you don't know, I follow you here,have for a long time, and have a great deal of respect for you and your work.
If you dont like V30 clestions, thats okay, but to swap them out for a different speaker and claim they are better? Different, yes..better, no.
All this friendly rivalry is in a fun spirit of conrarderie! We get good tone from our stuff, we just mess around with the minutae for fun and in the spririt of freindly competiton..do you agree?
In my opinion, Celestion is at the top of the tone heirarchy. I do love the V30 in its proper application. I also think Eminence is the best alternative to Celestion, and have the best warranty in the business.
That said, I was terribley shortsighted about the WGS. Im an old geezer, and old nasty habits die hard. They seem to have a excellent line of speakers.Im a bit concerend that they can't offer the warranty that Eminence offers.
The main thing here is we keep this rivalry fun and entertaining. Are we seriousuabout tone? You bet, but best to keep it simple and make it fun!
I dont actually get it Sir. In case you don't know, I follow you here,have for a long time, and have a great deal of respect for you and your work.
If you dont like V30 clestions, thats okay, but to swap them out for a different speaker and claim they are better? Different, yes..better, no.
All this friendly rivalry is in a fun spirit of conrarderie! We get good tone from our stuff, we just mess around with the minutae for fun and in the spririt of freindly competiton..do you agree?
In my opinion, Celestion is at the top of the tone heirarchy. I do love the V30 in its proper application. I also think Eminence is the best alternative to Celestion, and have the best warranty in the business.
That said, I was terribley shortsighted about the WGS. Im an old geezer, and old nasty habits die hard. They seem to have a excellent line of speakers.Im a bit concerend that they can't offer the warranty that Eminence offers.
The main thing here is we keep this rivalry fun and entertaining. Are we seriousuabout tone? You bet, but best to keep it simple and make it fun!
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Ascension
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Re: Celestion G12H Anniversary vs WGS Reaper (30 watt)
I do like the Vin 30's and have for years but heard the hype on the WGS stuff and had a chance to pick up a used Vet 30 cheap to try a while back and it surprised me.
I found much to my amazement that the Vet was noticeably smoother and bigger sounding than the old Brit built Vin 30's I had on hand in an open back 1/12. No muss no fuss the Vet just sounded noticeably better in that app so I bought a couple more for my combos.
The guys at WGS have been great to deal with they are built in Kentucky here in the USA and I like the tones I'm getting with them so I use um.
Still have a few different Celestians and Eminences around and am running the H30's in my closed back 2/12. However my Marshall MK III JCM 900 1/12 combo and my open back Blackstar 1/12 cab are now running WGS Vets. I am thinking about swapping the stock eminence in my Zinky Velvet for a WGS of some type as that particular amp sounds absolutely fantastic running through the Blackstar 1/12 with the Vet.
Bottom line I run what sounds best in an amp no matter what the brand!
PS I'm an old geezer myself so---.
I do like the Vin 30's and have for years but heard the hype on the WGS stuff and had a chance to pick up a used Vet 30 cheap to try a while back and it surprised me.
I found much to my amazement that the Vet was noticeably smoother and bigger sounding than the old Brit built Vin 30's I had on hand in an open back 1/12. No muss no fuss the Vet just sounded noticeably better in that app so I bought a couple more for my combos.
The guys at WGS have been great to deal with they are built in Kentucky here in the USA and I like the tones I'm getting with them so I use um.
Still have a few different Celestians and Eminences around and am running the H30's in my closed back 2/12. However my Marshall MK III JCM 900 1/12 combo and my open back Blackstar 1/12 cab are now running WGS Vets. I am thinking about swapping the stock eminence in my Zinky Velvet for a WGS of some type as that particular amp sounds absolutely fantastic running through the Blackstar 1/12 with the Vet.
Bottom line I run what sounds best in an amp no matter what the brand!
PS I'm an old geezer myself so---.
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AudioWonderland
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Re: Celestion G12H Anniversary vs WGS Reaper (30 watt)
Actually Scumback did it long before WGS
Actually Scumback did it long before WGS
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xxxplorer
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Re: Celestion G12H Anniversary vs WGS Reaper (30 watt)
I'm curious to try them myself. One thing I notice when I compare Celestions and Eminence is that the Eminence definatly have their own stamp on their versions of the Celestions they are inspired by.
The Eminence seem a little 'stiffer' feeling or sounding to my ears and most of the time Celestions have a certain 'softness' or a little more laid back and crunchy in a different way. I prefer the Celestion V30 to their version. Not better by any means, just what I like.
I do want to try the WGS and see how it sits and sounds and all... I just havn't had a need to yet... but I may be picking up another Empty Chilly Bird Cab bwahahahaha... a quad of the 25 watters from WGS is tempting
I'm curious to try them myself. One thing I notice when I compare Celestions and Eminence is that the Eminence definatly have their own stamp on their versions of the Celestions they are inspired by.
The Eminence seem a little 'stiffer' feeling or sounding to my ears and most of the time Celestions have a certain 'softness' or a little more laid back and crunchy in a different way. I prefer the Celestion V30 to their version. Not better by any means, just what I like.
I do want to try the WGS and see how it sits and sounds and all... I just havn't had a need to yet... but I may be picking up another Empty Chilly Bird Cab bwahahahaha... a quad of the 25 watters from WGS is tempting
James Rock
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Re: Celestion G12H Anniversary vs WGS Reaper (30 watt)
Yeh when I bought mine they were a fair bit cheaper then they are now, that said Id still buy them again.
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