Celestion V30
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Re: Celestion V30
the originals were generally greenback speakers. fantastic speakers. the v30 came out in 1986. there are three different versions of the v30. one is from celestion directly. one is a modified version for mashall and another is for mesa. some say the marshall v30s have more upper mids and the mesa ones have more low mids.
the originals were generally greenback speakers. fantastic speakers. the v30 came out in 1986. there are three different versions of the v30. one is from celestion directly. one is a modified version for mashall and another is for mesa. some say the marshall v30s have more upper mids and the mesa ones have more low mids.
Re: Celestion V30
I don't know that Mesa offers a V30 speaker, the Mesa C90 is actually a 90 watt speaker that Celestion had in it's catalog for some years, when Celestion pared down the number of guitar speakers they offered, they discontinued the 90 watter, so Mesa continued to have Celestion make them for their company, they are still made in the English Celestion factory, not China. But they are a different speaker than the V30.
As I recall, the V30 was first available in the little 15-watt Marshall combo with 6V6's that Marshall made back in the 80's (I think). Marshall still has 4-12 cabs available with Greenbacks in them, so V30's didn't really replace them.
Al
I don't know that Mesa offers a V30 speaker, the Mesa C90 is actually a 90 watt speaker that Celestion had in it's catalog for some years, when Celestion pared down the number of guitar speakers they offered, they discontinued the 90 watter, so Mesa continued to have Celestion make them for their company, they are still made in the English Celestion factory, not China. But they are a different speaker than the V30.
As I recall, the V30 was first available in the little 15-watt Marshall combo with 6V6's that Marshall made back in the 80's (I think). Marshall still has 4-12 cabs available with Greenbacks in them, so V30's didn't really replace them.
Al
Re: Celestion V30
oh yeah, mesa still offers the vintage 30. it's standard in their rectifier cabs. yes the mesa v30s are still made in england. mesa and marshall also rate the power of the speakers differently.
oh yeah, mesa still offers the vintage 30. it's standard in their rectifier cabs. yes the mesa v30s are still made in england. mesa and marshall also rate the power of the speakers differently.
Edgecrusher
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Re: Celestion V30
By plexi which amp do you mean? The 1959 100 watt heads? Or the earlier 50 watt heads? At the time you could order either the standard cabs that had the 25 watt green backs in them or the heavy duty 30 watt speakers. While its recommended to use the 30 watts i've seen more 25 watt cabs so not sure which was more prevalent.
The green backs were standard until the mid 70's when the black backs took over. But those were still 25 watt speakers.
Marshall started offering the V30's in 4x12's in the 90s as an option the normal speakers were the G12T75's its still this way now.
Mesas V30 is different than Marshalls, it is actually the same as the original V30 that celestion made then changed to try and lower the price but it has a different T number than the original V30 speakers.
If you get digging around theres lots of v30 versions it can actually get a bit confusing.
By plexi which amp do you mean? The 1959 100 watt heads? Or the earlier 50 watt heads? At the time you could order either the standard cabs that had the 25 watt green backs in them or the heavy duty 30 watt speakers. While its recommended to use the 30 watts i've seen more 25 watt cabs so not sure which was more prevalent.
The green backs were standard until the mid 70's when the black backs took over. But those were still 25 watt speakers.
Marshall started offering the V30's in 4x12's in the 90s as an option the normal speakers were the G12T75's its still this way now.
Mesas V30 is different than Marshalls, it is actually the same as the original V30 that celestion made then changed to try and lower the price but it has a different T number than the original V30 speakers.
If you get digging around theres lots of v30 versions it can actually get a bit confusing.
Edgecrusher
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Re: Celestion V30
If you talk to celestion directly they say there is no difference they are all actually about 65 watts no matter who or where they were made. You can compare 2 mesa T4335 speakers one with a 60 watt sticker and 1 with a 70 watt sticker and they are identical in every way. The reasons why the change was made on the sticker are less clear if you talk to mesa they say celestion told them if you talk to celestion they say mesa did it. The only rumour ive heard that seems to maybe have merit is that they changed the rating to accommodate speakers used in open or closed back cabs then to avoid confusion when people started asking why just went with the more conservative rating
If you talk to celestion directly they say there is no difference they are all actually about 65 watts no matter who or where they were made. You can compare 2 mesa T4335 speakers one with a 60 watt sticker and 1 with a 70 watt sticker and they are identical in every way. The reasons why the change was made on the sticker are less clear if you talk to mesa they say celestion told them if you talk to celestion they say mesa did it. The only rumour ive heard that seems to maybe have merit is that they changed the rating to accommodate speakers used in open or closed back cabs then to avoid confusion when people started asking why just went with the more conservative rating
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Lake Placid Blues
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Re: Celestion V30
Marshall plexis used the G12M25 (the earliest models were rated at 20 watts) commonly known as the Greenback speaker from about 1965 up through 1978 when it was replaced by the G12-65 (followed briefly by the G12M70, and then by the modern G12T75). It doesn't matter if it has Green, Cream or Black covers on the magnet it is still the same basic speaker design using the M or medium sized magnet and rated for 25 watts.
During this same period the heavy duty cabs got the 30 watt version, or the G12H30, also sometimes referred to as a green back or black back or a cream back, but a different speaker nonetheless. The 30 watt version used the heavy or H magnet. The H magnet creates a stronger, deeper, bass, and sharper treble compared to the warmer M magnet version. The G12H30 was used up to the early 80s when it was replaced by the G12H80.
The Vintage 30 came along in the mid 80s not as reissue of a green back, or an H30 but originally as a cheap alternative to an 15 watt alnico. It used the H heavy ceramic magnet because alnico magnets materials were very expensive during the 80s. The rest of the speaker was designed to minic the cone movement of a particular 15 watt alnico Cestion from the early 60s. The use of the term Vintage 30 was brillant marketing. It then became the standard heavy rock speaker world wide. It is brighter and has a sharper treble, but a tighter bass, than the 25 watt green back or the 30 watt green back. It is rated by Celestion as 60 watts but by Marshall as 70 watts. The Marshall version seems to have a smoother upper midrange to my ears.
Marshall plexis used the G12M25 (the earliest models were rated at 20 watts) commonly known as the Greenback speaker from about 1965 up through 1978 when it was replaced by the G12-65 (followed briefly by the G12M70, and then by the modern G12T75). It doesn't matter if it has Green, Cream or Black covers on the magnet it is still the same basic speaker design using the M or medium sized magnet and rated for 25 watts.
During this same period the heavy duty cabs got the 30 watt version, or the G12H30, also sometimes referred to as a green back or black back or a cream back, but a different speaker nonetheless. The 30 watt version used the heavy or H magnet. The H magnet creates a stronger, deeper, bass, and sharper treble compared to the warmer M magnet version. The G12H30 was used up to the early 80s when it was replaced by the G12H80.
The Vintage 30 came along in the mid 80s not as reissue of a green back, or an H30 but originally as a cheap alternative to an 15 watt alnico. It used the H heavy ceramic magnet because alnico magnets materials were very expensive during the 80s. The rest of the speaker was designed to minic the cone movement of a particular 15 watt alnico Cestion from the early 60s. The use of the term Vintage 30 was brillant marketing. It then became the standard heavy rock speaker world wide. It is brighter and has a sharper treble, but a tighter bass, than the 25 watt green back or the 30 watt green back. It is rated by Celestion as 60 watts but by Marshall as 70 watts. The Marshall version seems to have a smoother upper midrange to my ears.
some_dude
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Re: Celestion V30
Word I got from Mesa was that they originally labeled it at 70w because that's how Marshall labeled it (remember that the Marshall Vintage was available for years prior to Celestion releasing the Vintage 30), and that Mesa revised it to 60w because people kept asking them why they were saying V30s were 70w when the Celestion website said V30s were 60w.
Word I got from Mesa was that they originally labeled it at 70w because that's how Marshall labeled it (remember that the Marshall Vintage was available for years prior to Celestion releasing the Vintage 30), and that Mesa revised it to 60w because people kept asking them why they were saying V30s were 70w when the Celestion website said V30s were 60w.
Re: Celestion V30
I mentioned that in my post (#3), just couldn't remember what they called that amp (Studio). Marshall also used the V30 in the first Jubilee amps.
Al
I mentioned that in my post (#3), just couldn't remember what they called that amp (Studio). Marshall also used the V30 in the first Jubilee amps.
Al
