Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

[Lux84]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

The only thing that makes me keep those G12-T75 is a huge low end. that i need in my sound, for playing metal. also i try to play solos, and i think the G12-T75's wins for that vs Vintage 30's. but i think that in combination of G12-T75 and Vintage 30 sounds the hi gain rhythm the best. the harshness of G12-T75 goes away with Vintage 30 in combination, vs alone G12-T75 sound is all good huge low end, but alone sounds really harsh for hi gain playing. i already compare the two Vintage 30's..
the sound is really more annoying for solos, but more 3D. and at hi gain the low end is missed, like it has been completly cut away. so, i think the G12-T75 and Vintage 30 really compliments each others well (for just straight metal) i think about getting two 2x12 cabs, one loaded with G12T-75/Vintage 30 combination, and the other two G12 Heritage 65 combo. i don't know if G12H30 Anniversary will give me enough low end for metal, but i can try it. i have one in my Blackheart 15watt combo and the low end is ok. nothing special, but H30 has more low end than V30. maybe enough for that JCM too, but i must try it.

See, the only think that makes me keep those 75's in huge bottom end, which i need it for metal riffs.

Yes, it'll be nice to play that amp in band situation. i bought it for that. i have some hard times last months, but i think i am gonna search for a band again.

Wtf i was thinking, buying that 4x12 cab, i even haven't got a car.. i will try to replace it with some 2x12 Orange or something similar. i found out that G12-T75/Vintage 30 would be a good combo for a 2x12, but not 4x12, because of too much headroom, and not enough gain on tap to handle 240 watts of cab power. but 120 watts i think it's okay. just enough for me.

For pickups, yes, i figured out that neck pickup become much more usable with that amp.. it adds some warmth to solos. i ussually leave the Custom on the bridge at 7 of 10, or i turn it up 10 and turn down the tone control to about 3.

Also i noticed if i play some classic rock, like AC/DC or Led Zeppelin presence and treble knobs become more usable. i set it all at about 5 for vintage stuff. and i turn the bass to about 5 too. the thing becomes the whole different when i push all the gain out of amp with pre-amp knob and SD-1. then the treble and presence are at 2, midlle on 5 and bass on 8 for example. i crank the master volume to 6 of 11 today.

I have one Orange 1x12 cab too, and i am thinking of getting some more powerful speaker like 100 watts in it, and run the 2204 through that.

Those are all the options, but i think that in the end i am gonna sell that 4x12..

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

Go with a 2x12 with one G12T-75 and one Vintage 30. You will probably like that. The only problem might be that the V30 is so much louder than the G12T75 that it will dominate the sound some. The Vintage 30 would be your core sound and the G12T would fill in your lower end.

60 watts power handling will handle a 50 watt JCM800.

 

[Lux84]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

Yes, this should be the one for metal.. but before i will totaly deicide about selling my 4x12, i'll get one more G12H30 Anniversary and do that pattern:

H30 V30
x
V30 H30 .

Just to see, if that combo would be good for classic stuff and metal. i only need one more H30 to do comparision. that would be than 4 speakers with 120 watt power rating of 4x12 cabinet.

Beside that i will put one G12-T75 in my Orange PPC 112, to see what sound i can get if i push that speaker a bit harder... and i guess the break in should be done much more easily by that.

A lot of working and comparing should be done in next two weeks. as i said, i will post some clips.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

You really need to get the speakers broke in to make a proper evaluation. It can be like night and day different.

 

[Lux84]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

You really need to get the speakers broke in to make a proper evaluation. It can be like night and day different.

I knew from the beggining that problem is. i am gonna work this out. i have one G12H30 in Blackheart 15W Combo. i have play it for about 12 hours. i have one Vintage 30 that i use it with my Blackstar HT-5, that Vintage 30 is probably already broken in, since i play it 8 months. i remember how this speaker sound when i first got it in new Orange PPC 112. it has background harsh sound, but then with the months of use that completly go away.. another two G12T75's and one Vintage 30 have now about 3 or 4 hours of loud playing. so it's just a beggining. i'll try run the JCM 800 2204 cranked through my Orange 1x12, and i will put in one G12T75. to push it really hard.. i am gonna use looper, to play backing tracks through that new speakers.

 

[Lux84]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

So, today i have messing with speakers changes in two cabinets.

I put one G12T-75 in my Orange PPC 1x12 closed back cab

Then i put the speakers in my Marshall 1960 A 4x12 that way:

on the left side: G12H30 on top V30 on bottom

on the right side: V30 on top G12T-75 on bottom.

On 1960 i run seperately connected, left two speakers and right two speakers in stereo mode to compare different combinations. Now i will have the chance to try JCM 800 2204 with G12H30/V30 combination and than compare the sound to G12T-75/V30 combination. and JCM 800 2204 with just one G12T-75 alone.

The video clips will be recorded with my Zoom Q3 Handy Recorder. the clips comes out soon. now i am a bit tired, i must clean my room, it's a bit mess of different cables, cabs, guitars and pedalboard, so i have to sorted out. Then, the clips !

And i hope, that Heritage 30 will push the JCM 800 into more vintage zone

 

[Lux84]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

So, i have tried those different speakers, cabs.. the H30/V30 combination puts me somehow cold, no impress, only when i played thunderstruck it seems i completly nailed the tone of that hammer on pull of thing that goes through the whole song.

Then i try G12T-75 in Orange 1x12 cab and i was impressed, so impressed i want to have Orange 2x12 cab with two G12T-75's in it and that's it. on low input i nailed almost fuzzy tones of Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath etc. i nailed Kiss - Detroit Rock City. and of course, beautiful cleans. everything i played with Les Paul SH5 Custom & Pearly Gates pickups.

I think the answer is empty Orange 2x12, and later maybe some Greenbacks to try in a Marshall 1960 A cab.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

It seems you like M magnets more than H magnets. The T magnet is a modern version of the M magnet but gives more massive low end.

 

[Simon_F]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

It seems you like M magnets more than H magnets.

This is good news for your back! I hate lifting cabs with H magnets.

 

[Lux84]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

About speakers.. i think i am gonna have two G12T-75's in 2x12 cab. and four Greenbacks in 4x12 cab.

Here is one inside picture of amp:

I will post some video clips soon, today i have the time to run my Zoom Q3 Handy Recorder a bit. i haven't record anything on Q3 in past two years

 

[misterwhizzy]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

I'm surprised you didn't like the G12H30 Vintage 30 combination. I run the Eminence version of the same combo, and it sounds incredible.

 

[Lux84]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

I didn't like V30/H30 for high gain sound... and i think, with that amp, those two are too agressive.. as JCM 800 have already agressive character itself. and lots of mids. i don't need that combination with it. must try that combo a little more, but..

that combination of speakers ( V30/H30 ) sounds a lot better in my Blackheart Handsome Devil 15 watter. so i think i am gonna save it for Blackheart, as it will increase volume ( 100db ) with 15 watter, and G12T-75s i'll keep combo for JCM, because its 97db, and it's very good for metal. i am looking at Greenbacks too.. since i didn't try them yet.. i think that would be option for 4x12 cab, but that later, because four speakers costs money..

and i loose for about 3 decibels with G12T-75's or Greenbacks compared to Vintage 30 or Heritage 30, so i can open the JCM a little more that way, so those are the speakers for me.

but, yes, i'll keep one Vintage 30, for later if i would need it.

 

[Lux84]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

Goddamn that speakers.. i am a little sick of comparing and s..t. but i found which i like better, with two different amps. it was worth time. the next comparision will be Greenbacks, must try it with someone's Marshall 1960 AX or BX cabinet, because they are in them. maybe i'll try it at local music store, but that would be loud...

not too loud for me in any way,
but maybe a bit disturbing for the whole store

 

[Lux84]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

Now i discovered that G12H30/V30 combo gives the amp better crunchy vintage tones, while the G12T-75/V30 combo sounds more modern. i still am playing a lot through that two combinations of speakers, hoping through playing time they will smooth out some highs, and fattened the low end a bit more. Next week the attenuator will come to me, so i can crank amp to about 7 or 8 of 11 and play it cranked at lower volumes. i figured out what i need for good vintage crunch tones and what for more modern thrash sounds. it's about 12 hours of tweaking and playing through not break in speakers now. it should sounds better and better while speakers will break in, but still the playing time is needed. but i really enyoy playing through that amp, i open it at about 4 of 11 MV and i go to another room, and enyoy playing through it, some new riffs and soloing ideas comes out too, so i am really enyoy playing through that JCM 2204. it sounds huge and agressive

 

[Lux84]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

Updating the posts after 5 moths

With all that crazy stuff i was doing i am just looking back and i realized... i was comparing totaly new speakers with each another. now i know what is stupid to do:

1. ) Comparing new, even not breaked in speakers with each to another with JCM 800 2204, and trying to get high gain warm solos at high volume levels at the same time.. lame !

2. ) Trying to break in speakers as soon as it possible with that kind of amp, at home... this is really bad thing to do

3. ) Somehow thinking of 2x12 cab insted of 4x12 which i already have.. lol.

4. ) Running the only one side of 4x12 at high volume levels. a big mistake !

So, but we all learn from mistakes... what Lake Placid Blue wrote is really true: you can't compare the non break in speakers with each to another !

So for now i've just put the 2204 head into the safe place.. and put the V30/H30 combination in x pattern into my 4x12. i found out those combination works very well with my new amp Randall Diavlo RD 45, which i've get it for a really cool price. compared to 2204, that Diavlo has a huge emounts of low end. huge bass response.. so, i will continue to play through that amp, as i love the sound of it, more bass will also break in speakers quickly, in less time.

After a while, when the speakers will be a lot more broken.. i will put the 2204 head out again. and compare the sound to Diavlo ! i think that would be much better thing to do !

 

[UberMetalDood]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

I had a JCM800 and it could be kind of shrill. Eminence speakers fixed all of that. (old thread, I know)

 

[rumy22]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

I would try a volume pedal or an EQ pedal in the loop to attenuate the volume before I would spend the money on an attenuator. I run an EQ in the loop of my Splawn and it works quite well.

Can putting a EQ in the loop to reduce volume harm the valves?

 

[dystrust]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

Can putting a EQ in the loop to reduce volume harm the valves?

No, running an EQ in the loop is far more likely to damage the EQ (if it's a pedal) than to damage the amp itself.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

No, running an EQ in the loop is far more likely to damage the EQ (if it's a pedal) than to damage the amp itself.

Why would running an effect pedal in the effects loop damage it? [emoji780][emoji782][emoji780][emoji782][emoji845]

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[dystrust]

Re: Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 finnaly at home impresssions

Why would running an effect pedal in the effects loop damage it? [emoji780][emoji782][emoji780][emoji782][emoji845]

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The loops on some amps run at line level instead of instrument level, and that can damage pedals that are unable to handle a signal that hot. A friend of mine blew out the buffer in one of his pedals by running it in a line level loop.