Check out this "tonewood" statement . . .

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treyhaislip said:
I thought forums were for discussions, you made a statement about Pine that contradicted Leo Fender's well documented reasoning for switching from Pine to Swamp Ash–stating said fact is taking things too seriously? :scratchch

Never played an 80's Basswood Charvel/Jackson and Ibanez that were pliable..."more rigid"? I don't have old Pine guitars to compare to and not sure how one would even determine this. The Basswood Strats I've built were not pliable either–they sanded very easily but no issues with assembly.

Use whatever wood you want on your guitars and you are definitely entitled to your opinion on certain woods...I'm entitled to mine too.
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I wasn't talking about guitars, just pick any old pine plank and hit to something, then compare it to fresh one. It hardens distinctively with age. Hardwoods don't do that.

treyhaislip said:
I thought forums were for discussions, you made a statement about Pine that contradicted Leo Fender's well documented reasoning for switching from Pine to Swamp Ash–stating said fact is taking things too seriously? :scratchch
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I meant that did you think I was being serious that basswood guitar in my use would surely break and literally fall apart...
 
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Jacew said:
I wasn't talking about guitars, just pick any old pine plank and hit to something, then compare it to fresh one. It hardens distinctively with age. Hardwoods don't do that.

I meant that did you think I was being serious that basswood guitar in my use would surely break and literally fall apart...
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Well this was your original quote that started our little conversation:

Jacew said:
I won't buy guitar made basswood or poplar, simply because it's so soft. I sure would end up breaking it somehow.
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And I mentioned Pine as guitars and that Leo Fender stopped using it because it was too soft and dented easily...so the context of pine and this whole thread is about wood and guitars...

but apparently the conversation was not about woods being used in guitars, silly me. :kabong:



EDIT: For the sake of sanity in an already crazy thread, I apologize--I honestly did not know you were talking about pine outside the realm of guitars.
 
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Jacew said:
I already have enough rounded screwholes and cracks in finish in my alder strat. If it was made from basswood, parts might literally fall off...
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Apparently you don't have eny experience with basswood and have made a statement out of pure postulation. I have a Charvel CX291 from 1993 and it remains intact after what...almost 25 years. Guitars are supposed to be taken care of not smashed around like power tools.

Cracked finish and rounded screwholes are the result of user error not material or manufacturing defect.
 
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Obsessive Compulsive said:
Originally Posted by Jacew:
I meant that did you think I was being serious that basswood guitar in my use would surely break and literally fall apart...

This sounds like backpedalling.
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Well, I guess that what you get for trying to have a sense of humor in a tonewood thread...

If I insulted either of you, I'm sorry about that.
 
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treyhaislip said:
EDIT: For the sake of sanity in an already crazy thread, I apologize--I honestly did not know you were talking about pine outside the realm of guitars.
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Well, it's still the same wood, so does it matter where or how it's used, if we're merely talking about it's properties?

You might be completely right. But what I've stated has been my impression by my hobbyist experience in woodwork.
 
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Don't worry, it will be resurrected in other threads, I am sure!
 
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Many basswood and pine guitars sound good to great. Construction wise, I personally avoid those soft wood as body material like the plague.
 
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I've got a Paulownia h/t strat. A great guitar but certainly not robust if you are into keeping your paintjob looking like you've never ever taken it out of the case.
SUPER light though.
 
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My dad's 1986 Charvel made out of basswood...bought it brand new and it still looks new. If you clean and maintain your guitar it will last--like any other tool.

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dave74 said:
Some tools do get more wear than others. lol

Very nice Charvel indeed.
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Yes, but proper maintenance is the key to longevity (outside of a flaw in construction.) Engines don't last forever but regularly changing the oil in your car and topping off the fluids will make it last a whole lot longer than never changing the oil. Leaving your ax outside in the elements will make it rust and (assuming a wooden handle) more quickly come off of the handle.

Frets will wear out over time, which is why in my builds/projects I use only Stainless Steel frets. I wipe down my guitars everytime I put them back in the case and I don't leave them outside of their cases. My guitars don't show wear (neither do my dad's, who taught me how to care for instruments.)
 
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The real answer is, TA DA!!!!!!!!!!! If wood does effect tone there's no way to prove it and if wood doesn't effect tone there's no way to prove that either. Issue settled once and for all. Next?
 
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PAPADON said:
The real answer is, TA DA!!!!!!!!!!! If wood does effect tone there's no way to prove it and if wood doesn't effect tone there's no way to prove that either. Issue settled once and for all. Next?
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Les Paul and Leo Fender settled it many decades ago. Wood matters,,,,,,along with everything else.
Didn't even need no fancy graphs or meters,,,,,,,,,,thanks to ears.
 
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I'd just like to say - the earth is flat, ...and round. Like my strings. ...Until my mood changes. Then my strings will be round ...and round too.

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I agree to some extent about the "tonewood" statement. But only if the guitar is plugged !!!
Unplugged, the tone differences is audible. And of course, sustain & feel is the definite difference of different woods.
 
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Hmm if that was the case that wood has no meaning...
What about dead spots then??
It is the wood cancelling itself out....

It is the worlds most tired subject of debate....yes wood means alot....it is logic, you do not even need to think about it!
 
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