chibson les paul....chinese copy gibsons
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metlking
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A friend of mine bought a $289 Chinese Gibson Randy Rhoads Custom and brought it over for me to install a decent pickup....it was a total piece of crap. He liked it though. I dug out my 78' cream Custom for him to compare. Then he didn't like it so much.....
A friend of mine bought a $289 Chinese Gibson Randy Rhoads Custom and brought it over for me to install a decent pickup....it was a total piece of crap. He liked it though. I dug out my 78' cream Custom for him to compare. Then he didn't like it so much.....
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
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Anyone who buys one deserves what they get. What I don't understand is the government puts so much effort into monitoring what Gibson is doing with rare woods. Meanwhile there are all of these websites popping around the web selling fake Gibsons with the very same rosewood. How about protecting some American jobs and shutting these websites down.
Anyone who buys one deserves what they get. What I don't understand is the government puts so much effort into monitoring what Gibson is doing with rare woods. Meanwhile there are all of these websites popping around the web selling fake Gibsons with the very same rosewood. How about protecting some American jobs and shutting these websites down.
jon the art guy
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might be a different story in Canada, but those are not legal for shipping, selling or distributing in the USA.
Securb, I don't think they're using the same woods. Gibson has been trying to get more than their fair share of rare old-growth woods and have been caught numerous times on it. They don't care the ramifications of overharvesting or removing a finite amount of stock out of the hands of competitors or competing industries, they just want to cut up pieces and sell it at astronomical markup in their lumber + steel products. The nameless Chinese mills aren't going to feed expensive wood into their machinery to crap out sub-$300 instruments; they're using furniture quality crap, low-grade boards and ground up cutoffs to make their guitars.
Screw Chibson and screw Gibson as far as I'm concerned. If Gibson wasn't trying to put the screws to the very people they're "making their product for", there wouldn't be a crop of knockoffs trying to profit off of vanity and excess. There's NOTHING worth $3k in a Gibson except the name.
might be a different story in Canada, but those are not legal for shipping, selling or distributing in the USA.
Securb, I don't think they're using the same woods. Gibson has been trying to get more than their fair share of rare old-growth woods and have been caught numerous times on it. They don't care the ramifications of overharvesting or removing a finite amount of stock out of the hands of competitors or competing industries, they just want to cut up pieces and sell it at astronomical markup in their lumber + steel products. The nameless Chinese mills aren't going to feed expensive wood into their machinery to crap out sub-$300 instruments; they're using furniture quality crap, low-grade boards and ground up cutoffs to make their guitars.
Screw Chibson and screw Gibson as far as I'm concerned. If Gibson wasn't trying to put the screws to the very people they're "making their product for", there wouldn't be a crop of knockoffs trying to profit off of vanity and excess. There's NOTHING worth $3k in a Gibson except the name.
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Little Pigbacon
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If only Gibson would just sell their guitars for their wholesale cost in materials, like all the other manufacturers do…
If only Gibson would just sell their guitars for their wholesale cost in materials, like all the other manufacturers do…
Rand-O-Monium
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Re: chibson les paul....chinese copy gibsons
I've seen a couple of teh fakes in some Pawn Shops around here,esp 1 for stupid money w/a neck repair...
Had to tell them,poor fellas,that a)they're about $300 new, & b)they have to/"are supposed to" pull them off the racks...
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I've seen a couple of teh fakes in some Pawn Shops around here,esp 1 for stupid money w/a neck repair...
Had to tell them,poor fellas,that a)they're about $300 new, & b)they have to/"are supposed to" pull them off the racks...
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ratherdashing
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Re: chibson les paul....chinese copy gibsons
Because there is no legal mechanism for them to do so if the website is hosted outside the US. The best they can do is put pressure on the host country (i.e. China) to shut the site down, and I bet you can guess how effective that will be.
Because there is no legal mechanism for them to do so if the website is hosted outside the US. The best they can do is put pressure on the host country (i.e. China) to shut the site down, and I bet you can guess how effective that will be.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: chibson les paul....chinese copy gibsons
It was mostly a rhetorical question, I know we would never put pressure on China. It would be nice to see Gibson force the US government's hand.
It was mostly a rhetorical question, I know we would never put pressure on China. It would be nice to see Gibson force the US government's hand.
alteredbeast
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i once knew a dude with a fake jem, i swear it felt worse than a stratpack guitar.
i once knew a dude with a fake jem, i swear it felt worse than a stratpack guitar.
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How about $699 for one? "To educate" LOL! Pretty sad a business selling one, and at a ridiculous price at that.
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/msd/4254863312.html
(text from that ad in case it gets pulled):
Les Paul Custom, black 3 pick up. Looks fantastic, Priced right, China - $699 (Bernies Swap & Guitar 7114 Vine St Cinti)
China made, but you couldn't hardly tell 3 feet away. Stamped made in USA, nope. Stamped with a 1968 SN, but it is not true. NOT to deceive, but to educate. Brand new, made in China. Stop in and take a look.
How about $699 for one? "To educate" LOL! Pretty sad a business selling one, and at a ridiculous price at that.
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/msd/4254863312.html
(text from that ad in case it gets pulled):
Les Paul Custom, black 3 pick up. Looks fantastic, Priced right, China - $699 (Bernies Swap & Guitar 7114 Vine St Cinti)
China made, but you couldn't hardly tell 3 feet away. Stamped made in USA, nope. Stamped with a 1968 SN, but it is not true. NOT to deceive, but to educate. Brand new, made in China. Stop in and take a look.
metlking
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I can remember about 5 years ago a young forum member (don't recall his name) posted a very excited NGD for us to see......we had to break the news to him that it was a fake. I think the police got involved and he got his money back.......anyone remember that?
I can remember about 5 years ago a young forum member (don't recall his name) posted a very excited NGD for us to see......we had to break the news to him that it was a fake. I think the police got involved and he got his money back.......anyone remember that?
jon the art guy
Nerdy Nerd
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There's a ton of rosewood and rosewood-like woods that are easily available to the Chinese guitar torture chambers. I have zero belief that one of them would risk international tariff penalties on Brazilian rosewood heists to get the good stuff when it grows like weeds in the south.
Now Gibson didn't mind it. They paid some people to illegally harvest from Madagascar and got caught for it. They had to pay fines, and then passed that right on down the wire. Part of the exorbitant amount of money you're paying for a Gibson is to pay down the legal fees of them stealing wood to build guitars that are nice, but are still spit out of machines and, aside from color, are practically the same.
There's a ton of rosewood and rosewood-like woods that are easily available to the Chinese guitar torture chambers. I have zero belief that one of them would risk international tariff penalties on Brazilian rosewood heists to get the good stuff when it grows like weeds in the south.
Now Gibson didn't mind it. They paid some people to illegally harvest from Madagascar and got caught for it. They had to pay fines, and then passed that right on down the wire. Part of the exorbitant amount of money you're paying for a Gibson is to pay down the legal fees of them stealing wood to build guitars that are nice, but are still spit out of machines and, aside from color, are practically the same.
Rockstar216
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My question is with all the advances we have in modern guitar building why is Gibson still stuck in 1959? I mean they make some great guitars but not worth the outrageous prices that they demand. I haven't seen anything really innovative coming from Gibson or correcting certain flaws on their designs except the weight relief chambering and this new tuning device. I'm sure Gibson could have made a better more modern version of the LP if they wanted but NOOO they just have to go and keep building the same guitar over and over with the same flaws as well.
As for wood selection I like the look and feel of the new fret boards but I wasn't really big on rosewood to begin with.
My question is with all the advances we have in modern guitar building why is Gibson still stuck in 1959? I mean they make some great guitars but not worth the outrageous prices that they demand. I haven't seen anything really innovative coming from Gibson or correcting certain flaws on their designs except the weight relief chambering and this new tuning device. I'm sure Gibson could have made a better more modern version of the LP if they wanted but NOOO they just have to go and keep building the same guitar over and over with the same flaws as well.
As for wood selection I like the look and feel of the new fret boards but I wasn't really big on rosewood to begin with.
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Funkfingers
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The Gibson Les Paul is, indeed, flawed and not the most convenient to play but, if you deviate very far from the original Paul/McCarty brief, the sound suffers.
The Gibson Les Paul is, indeed, flawed and not the most convenient to play but, if you deviate very far from the original Paul/McCarty brief, the sound suffers.
Rockstar216
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Which is why you buy a LP Traditional or LP Historic Reissue or even a "Relic" but as for the standards and pros and studios those IMO should be built to a better/modern standard and correct the flaws. (Holding tune/head stock angle/bridge and tail piece components/Nut material ETC....)
Thats where I think PRS hit the nail on the head with their SCs. They corrected most of the flaws of a LP especially VOLUME KNOB PLACEMENT. That is my absolute biggest gripe with a LP is the knob placement. If I could get a Gibson LP with just a closer vol knob I could look past the other flaws.
Heck even Mr. Leo Fender made corrections to his original strat design with G&L guitars. I agree they sound different from a Fender strat but you still have that choice for a modern good quality strat or a vintage spec strat with vintage tone and vintage flaws and all.
Which is why you buy a LP Traditional or LP Historic Reissue or even a "Relic" but as for the standards and pros and studios those IMO should be built to a better/modern standard and correct the flaws. (Holding tune/head stock angle/bridge and tail piece components/Nut material ETC....)
Thats where I think PRS hit the nail on the head with their SCs. They corrected most of the flaws of a LP especially VOLUME KNOB PLACEMENT. That is my absolute biggest gripe with a LP is the knob placement. If I could get a Gibson LP with just a closer vol knob I could look past the other flaws.
Heck even Mr. Leo Fender made corrections to his original strat design with G&L guitars. I agree they sound different from a Fender strat but you still have that choice for a modern good quality strat or a vintage spec strat with vintage tone and vintage flaws and all.
ItsaBass
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My friend loves his LP Jr. fake Gibson from China. And this is a guy who really knows how to build guitars, and scratch built his main one: a perfect replica of a '50's humbucker-equipped Les Paul that is easily as good as any Historic/Custom Gibson. The key to being happy with a cheap guitar is in having realistic expectations. He does, and he is thrilled with the fake...and plays the hell out of it as if it was a guitar that cost 40x as much. The audience can't tell the difference; they're paying attention to the songs and how they are being played.
As for Gibson getting screwed by these fakes, I can't imagine that these guitars are hurting their bottom line in the slightest. If these guitars are in some inconceivable way hurting their precious "name," it can't possibly be more than they have already hurt it themselves. Screw 'em anyhow. They suck, they need the get their act together, and they deserved worse than they got from the big, bad government. I just can't muster up the slightest bit of sympathy for them.
My friend loves his LP Jr. fake Gibson from China. And this is a guy who really knows how to build guitars, and scratch built his main one: a perfect replica of a '50's humbucker-equipped Les Paul that is easily as good as any Historic/Custom Gibson. The key to being happy with a cheap guitar is in having realistic expectations. He does, and he is thrilled with the fake...and plays the hell out of it as if it was a guitar that cost 40x as much. The audience can't tell the difference; they're paying attention to the songs and how they are being played.
As for Gibson getting screwed by these fakes, I can't imagine that these guitars are hurting their bottom line in the slightest. If these guitars are in some inconceivable way hurting their precious "name," it can't possibly be more than they have already hurt it themselves. Screw 'em anyhow. They suck, they need the get their act together, and they deserved worse than they got from the big, bad government. I just can't muster up the slightest bit of sympathy for them.
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Little Pigbacon
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Because that's what most Gibson customers want. Whenever Gibson comes out with something different, people whine about it like they've been gut-stabbed with a meat fork. Innovative design, by and large, hasn't worked too well for Gibson in recent memory. Building guitars off of designs that are forty, fifty, sixty years old… has.
Because that's what most Gibson customers want. Whenever Gibson comes out with something different, people whine about it like they've been gut-stabbed with a meat fork. Innovative design, by and large, hasn't worked too well for Gibson in recent memory. Building guitars off of designs that are forty, fifty, sixty years old… has.
