chibson les paul....chinese copy gibsons

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ItsaBass said:
My friend loves his LP Jr. fake Gibson from China. And this is a guy who really knows how to build guitars, and scratch built his main one: a perfect replica of a '50's humbucker-equipped Les Paul that is easily as good as any Historic/Custom Gibson. The key to being happy with a cheap guitar is in having realistic expectations. He does, and he is thrilled with the fake...and plays the hell out of it as if it was a guitar that cost 40x as much. The audience can't tell the difference; they're paying attention to the songs and how they are being played.

As for Gibson getting screwed by these fakes, I can't imagine that these guitars are hurting their bottom line in the slightest. If these guitars are in some inconceivable way hurting their precious "name," it can't possibly be more than they have already hurt it themselves. Screw 'em anyhow. They suck, they need the get their act together, and they deserved worse than they got from the big, bad government. I just can't muster up the slightest bit of sympathy for them.
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I'm sorry! Maybe they have a bad business model and charge to much for what they provide but they don't deserve to be counterfeited.
 
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Dr.K said:
I'm sorry! Maybe they have a bad business model and charge to much for what they provide but they don't deserve to be counterfeited.
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Yea, totally agree. Give some people some work to do and grind these fakes to dust.

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Dr.K said:
I'm sorry! Maybe they have a bad business model and charge to much for what they provide but they don't deserve to be counterfeited.
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It's not just that, but they knowingly break international law, and use non-related political propaganda to attempt to turn the public in their favor, instead of just taking their lumps as they should. They treat their employees like **** on top of it. And let's not forget that, above all else, they make an inferior product. What they deserve is to go straight out of business, so they can quit being an embarrassment to what little remains of American industry. I have zero sympathy for anything bad that happens to that company.
 
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I have a friend in the jewelry business. Chinese fakes are getting into shipping containers of some of the most well known brand names in the world. While in transit, someone is swapping out the real ones for the forgeries. He theorizes that if its happening with something as complicated as a watch, then it's definitely happening in the guitar world. (Cue sinister music.) he swears that major stores are occasionally selling fakes and are completely unaware. - just a new twist on the hijinx.
 
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ItsaBass said:
It's not just that, but they knowingly break international law, and use non-related political propaganda to attempt to turn the public in their favor, instead of just taking their lumps as they should. They treat their employees like **** on top of it. And let's not forget that, above all else, they make an inferior product. What they deserve is to go straight out of business, so they can quit being an embarrassment to what little remains of American industry. I have zero sympathy for anything bad that happens to that company.
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I totally understand where you're coming from on this. I feel the same way about the store that's destroying America (Walmart) and the corporate run fast food companies. I just don't think that two wrongs make it right.
 
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ItsaBass said:
My friend loves his LP Jr. fake Gibson from China. And this is a guy who really knows how to build guitars, and scratch built his main one: a perfect replica of a '50's humbucker-equipped Les Paul that is easily as good as any Historic/Custom Gibson. The key to being happy with a cheap guitar is in having realistic expectations. He does, and he is thrilled with the fake...and plays the hell out of it as if it was a guitar that cost 40x as much. The audience can't tell the difference; they're paying attention to the songs and how they are being played.
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i'm sure he's just as cool and talented as the next guy who prefers to rub cheez whiz all over himself thinking it's gold.
 
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my friend traded to get one for some crappy ibanez and a slammer guitar (hamer company) , the Zakk Wylde one wasn't bad acoustically even with name brand pickups and electronics in it , it sounded like crap through an amp. esthetics it was pretty close but the grovers where hilariously bad , wobbled worst than the ones on ebay and effortlessly turned. All weightless parts. At most I'd hang one on a wall but I can't believe people want 600$ or so for a cheap one I'm seeing in the forums how do those people sleep at night.

now the second one I had more experience with and actually checked how to spot a fake gibson , almost everything is dead on about it even the headstocks serial number checks out. The only giveaway is the binding on the bass side isn't perfect , a few flaws and the 1st fret has no dot. I'm a Jackson and BC Rich or ESP guy and even I know this. It weighed 10lbs , it was something a customer came in for a re-wiring and left it at my house overnight for a re-wiring and so I did a bit of research on it and really took the thing apart. Hopefully these companies go bankrupt I wouldn't even give these guitars to a beginner to learn on unless I did a total overhaul of parts.
 
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metlking said:
I can remember about 5 years ago a young forum member (don't recall his name) posted a very excited NGD for us to see......we had to break the news to him that it was a fake. I think the police got involved and he got his money back.......anyone remember that?
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Yes I vaguely remember it. I think it was a fake JEM .
 
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Folks, the "report item" link it right on the Ebay page. The "fake item" report is not too annoying to fill out either.
 
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I am wondering how many of the people slamming Gibson are actually Gibson owners. I don't see how a consumer can slam a product if there have never been a consumer of that product. All of the owners in the Post Your Les Paul Picture Thread seem more than happy with Gibson and their guitars. Case-in-point most Gibson owners purchase additional guitars from the company, there are tons of pictures of multiple guitar collections.
 
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Securb said:
I am wondering how many of the people slamming Gibson are actually Gibson owners. I don't see how a consumer can slam a product if there have never been a consumer of that product. All of the owners in the Post Your Les Paul Picture Thread seem more than happy with Gibson and their guitars. Case-in-point most Gibson owners purchase additional guitars from the company, there are tons of pictures of multiple guitar collections.
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For the record, I have an early Chinese made LP type. Not an illegal copy, it has a different headstock design and it's own company logo.

It has some aspects of cheapness, namely separate heel and headstock wood pieces (of course a $3000 soloist has a sleeved on headstock, too :)), thick poly and a metric TOM. However, the craftmanship is flawless and many of use have verified that the latter isn't always true for US made Gibsons.
 
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Securb said:
I am wondering how many of the people slamming Gibson are actually Gibson owners. I don't see how a consumer can slam a product if there have never been a consumer of that product. All of the owners in the Post Your Les Paul Picture Thread seem more than happy with Gibson and their guitars. Case-in-point most Gibson owners purchase additional guitars from the company, there are tons of pictures of multiple guitar collections.
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I've owned 6. I have a custom shop junior which is the ONLY one that hasn't suffered from design/craftsmanship flaws. And itsa is correct. They are not known for treating the employees well.
 
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Securb said:
I am wondering how many of the people slamming Gibson are actually Gibson owners. I don't see how a consumer can slam a product if there have never been a consumer of that product. All of the owners in the Post Your Les Paul Picture Thread seem more than happy with Gibson and their guitars. Case-in-point most Gibson owners purchase additional guitars from the company, there are tons of pictures of multiple guitar collections.
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I own 5 Gibsons (LP Standard, LP Jr, 2 Flying Vs, 1 Nighthawk Studio) as well as an Orville and 3 Epiphones. I love Gibson. I think they were the best American guitar brand. But Gibson today isn't the same. Forget the talk of QC issues, even if made perfectly, the new Gibsons just aren't that great. I like Les Pauls. If I got one today, it would have frets over the binding, hollowed out body, minE tuner, etc etc. That's not what I want in an LP. I wish they would realize all they have to do is make good les pauls, sgs, flying vs, so on and so forth like they used to without robots tuners and tone chambers instead of making the firebird x and richlite fingerboards.
 
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jon the art guy said:
might be a different story in Canada, but those are not legal for shipping, selling or distributing in the USA.

Securb, I don't think they're using the same woods. Gibson has been trying to get more than their fair share of rare old-growth woods and have been caught numerous times on it. They don't care the ramifications of overharvesting or removing a finite amount of stock out of the hands of competitors or competing industries, they just want to cut up pieces and sell it at astronomical markup in their lumber + steel products. The nameless Chinese mills aren't going to feed expensive wood into their machinery to crap out sub-$300 instruments; they're using furniture quality crap, low-grade boards and ground up cutoffs to make their guitars.

Screw Chibson and screw Gibson as far as I'm concerned. If Gibson wasn't trying to put the screws to the very people they're "making their product for", there wouldn't be a crop of knockoffs trying to profit off of vanity and excess. There's NOTHING worth $3k in a Gibson except the name.
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I agree. Gibson prices its product way too high. The only reason I have a LP is because I scored it used. Mind you, I added SD pups to it and had to properly set it up. Frankly, unless I came into a lot of money, I am not buying Gibson.
 
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I'm working on it. The time and materials..
My fretwork is beyond immaculate and that's what really counts.
I want a master to come into my shop and say wow.
 
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kilphody said:
I'm working on it. The time and materials..
My fretwork is beyond immaculate and that's what really counts.
I want a master to come into my shop and say wow.
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Fretwork is the reason I haven't tried to build a guitar yet. I'm pretty terrified of getting it wrong.

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Just an FYI to the OP....the Thread title has a typo. It should say Chibson Res Paur ;)
 
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