Compensated claw?

[Lewguitar]

Re: Compensated claw?

Of course it works. It's a method that produces perfect spring tension. It's not the ONLY way to produce perfect spring tension though. This is one of those "a thousand monkeys on a thousand typewriters" scenarios.

If you think high-school-level physics is a "dream world", then there's obviously nothing else anyone can say on this subject that will get through to you.

Whatever. Carl's method works. At least we can agree on that.

And I'll bet he can outplay and get a better tone out of a Strat than anyone on this forum who says it doesn't work. Or even those who say it does.

 

[jon the art guy]

Re: Compensated claw?

Whatever. Carl's method works. At least we can agree on that.

And I'll bet he can outplay and get a better tone out of a Strat than anyone on this forum who says it doesn't work. Or even those who say it does.

Not if I murder him in his sleep. Then even I will be better than him.

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[tonechaser]

Re: Compensated claw?

Not if I murder him in his sleep. Then even I will be better than him.

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WTF. What kinda thought process goes into into comming up with a response like this.

 

[vinta9e]

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I believe it's called sarcasm.

 

[jon the art guy]

Re: Compensated claw?

WTF. What kinda thought process goes into into comming up with a response like this.

 

[crusty philtrum]

Re: Compensated claw?

This thread needs some humour ....

 

[DrNewcenstein]

Re: Compensated claw?

Explain to me how the brass claw alters tone.

As for the physics question regarding the angled claw theory, set your claw straight and remove every spring except the one on the very end (either end, but it has to be in the last hole on the block and the last tooth of the claw), and tell me that the bridge does not want to pull to one side.

Move that one spring one space over and check the feel of the strings again, and tell me that it doesn't feel a bit more loose on one side than the other.

When you get to having only the one spring in the center of the claw and center of the block, you'll notice there seems to be a slight pull to one side.

Yes, I understand that the baseplate is anchored evenly.
Yes, I understand the block is firmly attached to the baseplate, which is anchored evenly.
Yes, each string pulls the bridge forward at their own strength, based on their individual tuning and thus tension, and are subject to the theory of "total tension".

 

[J E C]

Re: Compensated claw?

DrNewcenstein, what you said fits right in with what I said. ^+1^

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Compensated claw?

Not directing this at anyone in particular.

But it seems kind of stubborn and a little crazy to claim that something that works, doesn't work because you can't understand why it works.

That's like saying something that tastes good, doesn't taste good because you can't understand why it tastes good.

Especially if you're not even willing to try the damn thing.

 

[jon the art guy]

Re: Compensated claw?

Don't take the bait, Lew. A forum dweller is the Id of a normal person. An inchoate, screaming penis of bullheadedness. There is no reasoning with it.

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[tc]

Re: Compensated claw?

Add me to the "I've got lim -> ∞ amount of things to buy before considering this one" camp.

 

[Farkus]

Re: Compensated claw?

Not directing this at anyone in particular.

But it seems kind of stubborn and a little crazy to claim that something that works, doesn't work because you can't understand why it works.

That's like saying something that tastes good, doesn't taste good because you can't understand why it tastes good.

Especially if you're not even willing to try the damn thing.

1. Lew I really enjoy many of the contributions that you make on the forum. I've learned quite a bit of information about how to get certain tones and in general what works and what doesn't from your posts/sharing of your knowledge and experience. So first I'd like to say thanks.

2. I'm not saying that it doesn't work, only that it just happens to; In other words my thinking is that the angling of the claw is not necessary to get the setup done that will allow these pitches to be achieved by pulling the bar up. BUT I will try it on my next setup, as I stated before.

3. Of course it works (see #2). But if it's not necessary, and the same result can be achieved with a regular claw without angling it, then the compensated claw (the SUBJECT of this thread) is not necessary either.

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Compensated claw?

Thanks Farkus.

I agree with you. Not necessary. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

But since I started setting up my Strats using Carl's method the vibrato works better for me than it ever has before.

Rick, the designer of the Compensated Claw, contacted me a couple of days ago and offered to give me one to review.

I've never used one and neither has anyone else in this 53 post long thread.

I have two identical Eric Johnson Strats. Same 2013 year, same weight, same rosewood fingerboard...even the same color.

Sold my '63 Strat and sold my 2005 EJ, paid off some bills that had been plaguing me and with what was left bought two lightly used, but identical EJ's (the new rosewood fingerboard model) to replace my old '63 and the 2005 maple fingerboard EJ.

I'll leave one stock and put the Compensated Claw in the other and see for myself if I like it and if it improves the tone of an already great Strat.

And I'll let you all know the results.

 

[LonePhantom]

Re: Compensated claw?

I've tested the regular brass claw from KGC and what it did for tone was pretty impressive. I installed it on an Ibanez with an Edge Pro bridge, and the claw definitely altered the tone, making it bigger and warmer. I certainly wasn't expecting that.

I'm also getting one of these compensated claws sent to me to try out. I'll most likely slap it on my Frankenstrat, which has a custom made 6 point vintage style trem. I'll be curious to see how it affects the tuning stability on this guitar. I currently have it set up with enough of an angle to pull up a full step, but tuning stability is still a bit iffy.

 

[DrNewcenstein]

Re: Compensated claw?

I will have to hear clips of the un-brass-clawed guitar vs the same guitar with the brass claw, made by someone who isn't trying to sell me one or who isn't drinking KGC's Kool-Aid.
I just do not see how the spring claw material can make a difference by itself.

 

[LReese]

Re: Compensated claw?

Yep - The claw seems like a spot where material would least affect tone. Still I really don't want any brass on by guits, except perhaps for Tele saddles.

I'm going to try an aluminum block when KGC gets my block to me.

 

[Metalblaze]

Re: Compensated claw?

I'm not a mechanical engineer, however I'll say this. I can't see how angling the claw can work for screwed down strat tremolos but I can see how it can work for Floyds which are not anchored but just stay in place just touching against the screws by the tension balance itself.

 

[vinta9e]

Re: Compensated claw?

Yep - The claw seems like a spot where material would least affect tone.

Nope. Actually it's right the opposite - the claw is in a spot where the choice of material is expected to affect tone. Being a mounting point for the springs, the claw performs a function similar to that of a nut/bridge/tailpiece. :22:

 

[tonechaser]

Re: Compensated claw?

Not if I murder him in his sleep. Then even I will be better than him.

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Sorry for the negative response man. I really didn't mean to be a buzz kill I'm just fighting with the reality of having to put my dog down so it caught me at the wrong moment. Really didn't mean to express my frustrations to everyone on the forum.

 

[J E C]

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I have been wrestling with the whole "claw material" thing affecting the tone. I have a hard time of it, but at the same time I can see the possibility due to the fact that it dos anchor one end of the strings by way of the.... Strings and Bridge. That being said.....what about the screws that anchor "The Claw" ? LOL:scratchch