Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

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Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

Unholy proxy hacker.
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[deftgala]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

On AIM my sn is ggreendisease, if you need help tracking his ip lemme know next time you are talking to him using any instant messenging service.

LEDZEP, if Proxy is able to help out in this way, allow him to. Losing $900 is not fun, especially at your age. This scammer can be found with the proper help. I only know that IP addresses can be traced to an exact location. I haven't any idea how to do it... but some will know how...

keep your moral and dont accept the defeat too easily... try all you can to figure this out. Its only been a short while and within a week or two, you may find gratification in actually knowing how to get him!

I feel your pain, man.. I've had things stolen from under my nose before and only wish I had SD forum members give me ideas on how to deal with the situation. This is truly a great place to get advice from others around the world.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

If it turns out to be a private computer after all, you guys can drop me a line when you´ve got the IP (assuming it´s not dynamic)..... Being an ex-IT Security specialist has its perks

IMO People like this do not deserve to be a part of society, or even out race. Forget Jail, line ´em up and shoot them.

 

[theboatcandream]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

Give up on the money, and tell his local police that they have the opportunity to relieve this guy of $900 USD with the alternative of putting him in jail.

 

[Davey]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but from what JP (WFD) has told me, it doesn't really sound like things are very legit in Brazil. For instance, he told me that their customs people open packages coming into the country on a regular basis.

they do that here too.

 

[theboatcandream]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

I only know that IP addresses can be traced to an exact location. I haven't any idea how to do it... but some will know how.

And IP address will easily point to a city and state. For instance, my IP tells people that I'm in Waterloo, Ontario. Everything I do on this website, infact simply visitting the www.seymourduncan.com front page, leaves this information.

This is useful if you have a list of individuals from different cities who may have performed an action, and you simply want to find out who of those individuals is responsible.

To find out someone's exact address, what you need to do is use that IP to find out what internet service provider is being used. Then you approach that ISP with a warrant and they can give the authorities all the information they have on that client as well as the online activities that client has performed, including what websites and files they have viewed or downloaded.

The problem is, if he's using a public computer, then there's not much you can do. Good scammers will often drive long distances just to avoid an IP address which gives away their home town.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but from what JP (WFD) has told me, it doesn't really sound like things are very legit in Brazil. For instance, he told me that their customs people open packages coming into the country on a regular basis.

Most customs offices around the world open about 50% of the packsges that arrive.....It´s part of their job, and absolutely legal....The corrupt part is when there was more in it when sent than when it finally arrived

 

[ledzepp29]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

LEDZEP, if Proxy is able to help out in this way, allow him to. Losing $900 is not fun, especially at your age. This scammer can be found with the proper help. I only know that IP addresses can be traced to an exact location. I haven't any idea how to do it... but some will know how...

keep your moral and dont accept the defeat too easily... try all you can to figure this out. Its only been a short while and within a week or two, you may find gratification in actually knowing how to get him!

I feel your pain, man.. I've had things stolen from under my nose before and only wish I had SD forum members give me ideas on how to deal with the situation. This is truly a great place to get advice from others around the world.

what is his IP adress? the only way I contacted him was through the email adress I gave before. I am very greatful of any help i can get, and I know it is most likely impossible tp find him. I just wasn't sure what you meant by his IP adress?

 

[deftgala]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

what is his IP adress? the only way I contacted him was through the email adress I gave before. I am very greatful of any help i can get, and I know it is most likely impossible tp find him. I just wasn't sure what you meant by his IP adress?

SOmeone correct me if I am wrong here but I beleive an IP address is similar to the address of the house you live in. Every computer has its own personal IP address and when connected to the internet, THAT computer can be located. I may be wrong in my definition, so please any one correct me if I am wrong.

LedZep, to be honest, I am good for ideas on what direction to take in tracking this guy down, but as for knowing HOW to do these things, I haven't any idea; I am not a computer savy person. I do work with one of these sort of people so on monday I'll ask his advice.

I am just hoping that the other forum members that are computer savy continue to offer their services because I know if I were computer savy, I would help out in any way.

Alot of the guys on here seem to have alot of knowledge of HOW to track this guy down. SD website is like the guitar police forum. I remember someone trying to sell fake pups on ebay as Antiquity's and we got the auction revoked because the guys on this site really care about eachother's well being. Just take everyone's advice to heart and only you can make the choice to get this guy. All we can do is offer the help. Its really up to you to stay persistent. The day you give up on tracking this guy down is the day we all do...

Ill ask the guy I work with on monday what he recommends.

I really hope my input helps.

 

[deftgala]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

To find out someone's exact address, what you need to do is use that IP to find out what internet service provider is being used. Then you approach that ISP with a warrant and they can give the authorities all the information they have on that client as well as the online activities that client has performed, including what websites and files they have viewed or downloaded.

The problem is, if he's using a public computer, then there's not much you can do. Good scammers will often drive long distances just to avoid an IP address which gives away their home town.

1) How can the IP of the computer that the scam artist used be tracked down?

2) Does LedZep need to talked to the guy over MSN, or something to get it?

3) If the fraudulent seller is using a laptop, is it just as hard to find him as if he were using a public computer?

4) Now that I think about it, can't some of this information about the exact locaton of the computer be found in the "extended heading" of the email that Led Zep received from this person?

 

[proxy]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

what is his IP adress? the only way I contacted him was through the email adress I gave before. I am very greatful of any help i can get, and I know it is most likely impossible tp find him. I just wasn't sure what you meant by his IP adress?

IP address is like your computers unique number on the internet or in a network, so its liek your phone number is unique to you etc...

Maybe we could try to send him a subseven virus? (Its a trojan where we could control his comp and find out who he is via that.)

But if you talk to him on AIM or Yahoo Messenger, if you direct connect, voice communication, send a picture, etc... you'll be directly connected to his computer and through ms-dos i can tell you how to have your computer show what IP address your connected to.

 

[proxy]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

1) How can the IP of the computer that the scam artist used be tracked down?

2) Does LedZep need to talked to the guy over MSN, or something to get it?

3) If the fraudulent seller is using a laptop, is it just as hard to find him as if he were using a public computer?

4) Now that I think about it, can't some of this information about the exact locaton of the computer be found in the "extended heading" of the email that Led Zep received from this person?

1. ISP assign IPs to every one of their customers, usually they are dynamic meaning every 4 mothns or so you get a new one. During that period that Ip is unique to his computer, letting the ISP be able to identify the user.

2. There are a variaty of ways but MSN, Yahoo, AIM would be the easiest.

3. Its all about the connection. We are fairly SOL if he isn't paying for his own connection and he is wardriving, using a public connection, or public comp.

4. I don't think the email header would give ou too much because with like hotmail and such you are filling out a form on the server hotmail is on and it makes the transfer to the server your own email account is with.

 

[ankalar]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

subseven

Sorry, but that made me chuckle.

 

[deftgala]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

4. I don't think the email header would give ou too much because with like hotmail and such you are filling out a form on the server hotmail is on and it makes the transfer to the server your own email account is with.

I think I understand what you are saying here. Let me clarify. The entended header will only show MY information if I send out an email and not let the recipient see my information?

If this is correct, than it would be impossible to track the guy down via the email header.

Zep, do me a favor and send me any email that the fraud seller sent you. I want examine the extended header to see if there are any clues about his whereabouts. Its a longshot, and it may not work, but on the otherhand it may provide some useful information.

PM me so I can give you my email address. I'd like to look at the header of an email that the fraudulent seller sent you.

 

[proxy]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

I think I understand what you are saying here. Let me clarify. The entended header will only show MY information if I send out an email and not let the recipient see my information?

If he is using a client like outlook, thunderbird etc, the message travels from your comp, to your own email server, to the their email server, and then if they are using a client, to their computer.

But if they are going to like www.hotmail.com, typing their messages there, your not gonna get any info in the header (or at least usable info for our sake). If like a drop box for mail at the post office was a server (i.e. hotmail, gmail, etc...), then they can't really tell who mailed it besides the return address (your email). The best they could narrow it down sort of in this situationw oudl be the drop box (server) and if we are to narrow it down to a server like hotmail, we are talking about like 1million users.

IM (AIM, MSN, Yahoo) would be like a phone call. While your text messenging goes through a few servers, when you direct connect, use microphone, send picture etc... these servers would rather not have to deal with that data so you are directly connected. By using netstat in ms-dos, you can see all your connections to other ips, aka the guy.

So for the IMing, I would email the guy you wish to speak to him through it. Then ask him to send some pics through IM and this is when you would be directly connected and could get his IP.

 

[TattooedCarrot]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

I'm working an internet case right now; I have the IP's logged and the login times used. The IP address belongs to SBC/PacBell, so I have written a search warrant for all customer information, and all logs regarding what they did on-line when on that IP and so on. I take the search warrant affidavit to the DA tomorrow, he reviews it, makes any corrections to stuff he doesn't like, and then we take it before a judge. Accompanying it is a support of probable cause declaration that explains why I need this information. The judge reads it and can make any changes he wants if there's something he doesn't like. Once the judge signs it, I fax it to SBC/PacBell and they have 10 days to respond. Once I get the information, I can go after the person using the IP's and investigate further. Most broadband connections have a static IP assigned, which means it's always the same for a period of time until the ISP provider changes it to another (some can allow you to renew your IP, I'm not sure how). But if its dial up, the ISP changes every time they log in. And I can connect via dial up from CA and just cal a pop in NY and my IP will show that I'm routed through a NY pop - you'll think I'm in NY and not CA. Anyway, it's not something you can do by yourself, and honestly it being in a third world country I think you're out of luck and have learned a $900 life lesson, sorry.

 

[TheJangus]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

Headers on emails are easily spoofed and are basically worthless.

Most broadband connections have a static IP assigned, which means it's always the same for a period of time until the ISP provider changes it to another (some can allow you to renew your IP, I'm not sure how).

Not exactly. When DSL first came out it was all static ip. Static IP means your IP never changes. Now most DSL is PPPoE. Which means your ip can change at any time. It may stay the same for a couple days or a couple months.

 

[ledzepp29]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

If he is using a client like outlook, thunderbird etc, the message travels from your comp, to your own email server, to the their email server, and then if they are using a client, to their computer.

But if they are going to like www.hotmail.com, typing their messages there, your not gonna get any info in the header (or at least usable info for our sake). If like a drop box for mail at the post office was a server (i.e. hotmail, gmail, etc...), then they can't really tell who mailed it besides the return address (your email). The best they could narrow it down sort of in this situationw oudl be the drop box (server) and if we are to narrow it down to a server like hotmail, we are talking about like 1million users.

IM (AIM, MSN, Yahoo) would be like a phone call. While your text messenging goes through a few servers, when you direct connect, use microphone, send picture etc... these servers would rather not have to deal with that data so you are directly connected. By using netstat in ms-dos, you can see all your connections to other ips, aka the guy.

So for the IMing, I would email the guy you wish to speak to him through it. Then ask him to send some pics through IM and this is when you would be directly connected and could get his IP.

I'll try to do this, but after reading what TO said, and him being a cop, it looks like there is nothing I can do, even if we did find out where he's located, what would we do then? he could be moving around, from place to place.
I don't mean I want to just give up but, I don't think there is anything possible for me to do.

 

[deftgala]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

IM (AIM, MSN, Yahoo) would be like a phone call. While your text messenging goes through a few servers, when you direct connect, use microphone, send picture etc... these servers would rather not have to deal with that data so you are directly connected. By using netstat in ms-dos, you can see all your connections to other ips, aka the guy.

So for the IMing, I would email the guy you wish to speak to him through it. Then ask him to send some pics through IM and this is when you would be directly connected and could get his IP.

TattoedCarrot makes some real valid points, re: the guy being in another country and unfindable. But try what "proxy" is saying here. Messege the guy asking for pics and see what internet server he is using. Maybe then, there could be some information that reveals where to find him. It doesn't hurt to try. All in all, this is some valuable FYI stuff we are sharing.

TattoedCarrot, do you think the police in Zep's neighborhood would involved themselves if he went to them with some valid information?

oh, nice hooters, BTW.

 

[TattooedCarrot]

Re: Congratulions ledzepp29, you're %$#@ing idiot...

TattoedCarrot, do you think the police in Zep's neighborhood would involved themselves if he went to them with some valid information?

They might, I'm not sure whose jurisdiction wire transfers are, but all they can do is what I did. Write a warrant to the ISP provider and get the subscriber information (assuming it's a US ISP provider who will submit to a local US judge's warrant), and even then, what happens when you find out the guy is another country, and a crime ridden third-world country at that - nothing. The time and expense, not to mention liaison with a country like that; it just isn't going to happen IMO, not for $900. ****, they can't even control millions of $$ the drug cartels launder through official banks down there, what do you suppose can be done with $900 from a kid in the USA? Sorry, just a real life perspective.

Maybe you can just hire a local "collector" to go extract your refund, LOL.