Could all famous amp models become Tonemasters?

Thinking back to this thread , I wonder how long before Eric Johnson or John Mayer step out on stage with Tonemasters ?? that would turn a few heads. I get the feeling Fender would rather they did not...

Possibly, but it seems like they are designed for gigging players who need or want a lightweight amp that can interface with the PA easily and sounds fantastic. Big rock stars don't have the same concerns.
 
Tubes will never be done but digital technology is making it easier to mimic tubes. It is naive to think we cannot digitally mimic a vacuum tube at a time when we can use AI to mimic the human brain. We can fly to the moon and back but the vacuum tube is the one technology that has baffled scientists and engineers. Yes, digital/solid-state can sound exactly like a tube amp but tube amps will never go away.

This the way I could only explain my take on this issue . I have to reference it in cooking terms.

Tube vs Solid State/Sims.
Tubes is very much like BBQ'ing for me or using a conventional oven vs Microwave.
With a guitar, a volume knob or tone knob shown me the differences.
Those two knobs expose the cold / hot spots in the tone on a Sim or Solid State.
While the tubes sizzle with more tonal dynamics.
 
buddy of mine bought a tonemaster twin. did two gigs with it and returned it and bought an old sf twin and is much happier. ymmv

I was blown away by the TM Twin but that would never be a go to amp forme I don't think

I really like the TM DR and I would definitely use it

I think Vox already did a digi AC30?
 
I think Vox already did a digi AC30?

I think the technology is damn close and more than serviceable. But even with the Tech 21 going into a tube amp Marshall/Carvin, I had to buy an AC30 to get that AC30 vibe. The same feel and response are just not there; the AC30 also has certain dynamics and overtones that are unique to the amp and its natural overdrive.

I think we can make something that sounds like a particular amp. The difficult part is getting something that duplicates the feel of that amp. And I am not just talking tubes. My JC120 has a very unique feel that takes a bit to get accustomed to.
 
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I don't get the craze w/ wanting this or that new amp to sound like something already out there. When I get a new amp I want exactly the opposite.

On the other hand I do get wanting a solid state or digital amp to sound/feel like a tube amp (tubey) 'cause that is arguably the gold standard for guitar tone and has been from the start so it's a tone that's familiar and that one expects.

But I'd rather have something "tubey" that sounded like itself which is why I strongly prefer analog Solid state to digital modelers (I also think they replicate tube tone and feel better than digital modelers do and interact with real/cabs speakers much better..my personal opinion. They sound real because they are real.) And whover said they sound brittle should check out something like an Orange crush or AMT Stonehead or even a little Hotone HeartAtttack.

SS is'nt what it used to be and even back then there were some really nice tubey ones...you just had to do a bit of searching....​
 
Is there a sim of an amp on the edge of critical failure? Where it sounds epic before it explodes, without the explosion?

I will say right before killing my Peavy Decade and doing severe damage to my Quad Reverb I got the most beautiful saturated tone I have ever heard in my life. Plugged into the MXR D+, Into the Decade dimed both of them, speaker out of the Decade to the Fender Quad and into 8x12. I was a kid, I was dumb, and I was most likely stoned, but damn, did it sound fantastic for a few days, actually. The Peavey never recovered and I had to take the Quad to the shop.
 
I will say right before killing my Peavy Decade and doing severe damage to my Quad Reverb I got the most beautiful saturated tone I have ever heard in my life. Plugged into the MXR D+, Into the Decade dimed both of them, speaker out of the Decade to the Fender Quad and into 8x12. I was a kid, I was dumb, and I was most likely stoned, but damn, did it sound fantastic for a few days, actually. The Peavey never recovered and I had to take the Quad to the shop.

Wait wait wait. Speaker out from the Peavey into the Fender, into a full stack?

Dude.
 
This the way I could only explain my take on this issue . I have to reference it in cooking terms.

Tube vs Solid State/Sims.
Tubes is very much like BBQ'ing for me or using a conventional oven vs Microwave.
With a guitar, a volume knob or tone knob shown me the differences.
Those two knobs expose the cold / hot spots in the tone on a Sim or Solid State.
While the tubes sizzle with more tonal dynamics.

I see, although played at low volume, tubes don't sizzle so much. That's why tube amps don't really work so well playing at home
 
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I see, although played at low volume, tubes don't sizzle so much. That's why tube amps don't really work so well playing at home

I don't find this to be true. I use both of my 100W heads at home and usually run them pretty quiet. It's nice to know the real volume will be there for rehearsal or shows, but the tone I want is there at conversation level.
 
I run 100w heads at home all the time. I actually have more challenges wrestling my 30w AC30 to its sweet spot to a whisper than my JCM 2000.
 
my Carvin Belair had a bad tube once and it sounded glorious until it stopped working
kinda saturated Boston sound then nothing

my Laney SS sounds great
at least as good as the Belair

it doesnt take pedal overdrives the same though

while the Carvin sizzles with the Joyo Ultimate drive
the Laney is a bit meh , no real bite

they each have a place in the mix

Laney has that mid heavy Marshall thing and the Belair has that ...... wel its kinda Vox like
 
Don’t forget, the ToneMaster Pro floor unit touts itself as recreating other Fender products ie. the new hi-gain EVH amps and a bunch of others as well as the standalone combos.
 
I just ordered a UA Dream '65 pedal, which sounds pretty amazing. I'm all for this sort of thing.
 
Guitar players are a superstitious bunch at best, and outrightly deluded and illogical at their worst.

How many recordings have you heard where the band was using a POD, or a Kemper, or whatever in between already, and you didn't know it?
How many show have you been to where the band was using a POD, or a Kemper, or whatever er in between already, and you didn't know it?

I guarantee it is more than you know.

At the end of the day - music companies drive much of the hype and superstition. They want you to buy "that" gear. That "expensive" high margin gear.

You don't see them doing the scientific studies because the result would be "Oh - they sound the same, I'll get the cheaper one" or "In this blind listening test, I actually preferred digital" because it hurts revenue. What is possible to tell the difference in, is very different from what you do tell the difference.

I did a very simple test here to show that people couldn't tell a PG from an A2P from a T-Top. results turned in were basically chance.

If you believe differently, you are a fool. And that's ok. Because music is fun!
 
Guitar players are a superstitious bunch at best, and outrightly deluded and illogical at their worst.

I always play stage right. When I switched bands back in the 80's I switched to stage left to give the band a different look. It lasted one show. If I am not stage right, I feel unsettled.
 
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