Crunch Lab meets mahogany!

Franknfilms

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Here's the specs on my latest project:
Cheap Indonesian Washburn WI45 Idol
Mahogany body and 1 piece Mahogany set neck
CTS pots, Orange drop caps, Duncan Triple Shots
Crunch Lab bridge (blade towards bridge), Air Norton Neck

This is a bit of an experiment, the guitar has a shiny modern look to it and I thought I'd put some shiny modern pickups in it to match.

Crunch Lab:
There are some (maybe just one?) who want to know more about the Crunch lab in terms of how it might compare to a Custom(8) and/or how it well if fares in an mahogany lp style guitar.

After playing for many hours into the wee night, I think I have a really good handle on what the CL is all about. This is a super modern (post modern?) pickup, nothing like the other bridge pickups I've tried (EMGs,Blackouts,JB,DD,Customs,etc).

If you like the warm Custom 8 crunch, you won't find it here, if the Custom 8 is warm, the Crunch Lab is ice cold. The attack is seems so brittle at first, the power chord notes don't really work together as a team, each note stubbornly cuts through on its own. It's probably impossible to make this pickup sound muddy, it just starts to deflect the gain after a certain point, this is certainly not a bad thing.

This pickup is practically begging you to work with your technique, it does not like new wave metal, blues, classic rock, or anything based on the classic tones in general, metal or otherwise. You have to get creative, lots of hammer ons/pull offs, super fast picking, I was actually spending a lot of time with different picking techniques and that is really how you make the most of the CL. I'm not a cheesy 80's guitar jam guy (satriani, vai, petrucci) but that is really what the CL is all about. I just can't get over how crisp and erie the CL sounds, its like I'm sharpening a knife with my pick. Basically, the CL sounds like the bold new tone that you could expect from an all robot progressive metal band after they have wiped out humanity and decided to put on a show in celebration.

Is the overall CL eq working with the mahogany or pushing out a disproportionate amount of lows and mids? Well, that is hard to say since I still need to do some experimenting with height and position. Don't fret the overall clarity though, this is not overly warm and muddy like you might suspect, the highs chime right through, I just think the mid range needs a little work. I'm going to flip it around and try to de-sterilize the sound. I tired both coils separately and the blade is definitely the source of that cold/sharp tone that is coming though (along with the ceramic mag of course).

Cleans? Totally awesome if you like them a bit on the emg side, perfectly spacey and clear and begging for effects like delay, etc. Even on series it does not break up half as easily as the DD does for example. I would also call it cleaner than the Custom 8, however, as I mentioned the CL cleans are a little sterile.

Air Norton in the neck? Well, that is exactly what you'd expect, very very warm without a hint of mud, amazing sustain, nice and hot with distortion, no unwanted breakup when clean, does not sound vintage in the slightest when you split it though, once again I have to say it has a bit of the emg feel, which I think is great.

At the end of the day I think these are some awesome ultra responsive modern sounding pickups that will have me completely re-thinking my techniques. I'm happy to have 3 guitars now with completely different tones. If you are looking for "your tone" only and don't want to go out of your comfort zone you wouldn't want to put these pickups in your LP style guitar. If you want to experiment with some modern tones that really shine with fast progressive lead techniques then give these a shot.

I'm no expert, just a guy who likes to experiment with different tones, hope you found this helpful. I'm looking forward to making some clips, just don't have any idea what to play to really emphasize how cool these pickups are, I'm sure I'll think of something. I'd a/b with a custom 8 but this is so far from a custom 8 there is no point in comparing, I just don't think you should even play the same type of riffs with the CL and Custom 8.
 
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I was reading this thinking that you were a moron...

But then I saw the pic, bar facing the bridge, that explains the clarity and sharpness that you hear.
It couldn't be more different when you install it the other way, very fat with a warm, smooth crunch.
 
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But then I saw the pic, bar facing the bridge, that explains the clarity and sharpness that you hear.
It couldn't be more different when you install it the other way, very fat with a warm, smooth crunch.

Yep I agree. When I read the description it was nothing like the Crunch Lab I tried but then I saw that he had it backwards. Try again.
 
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Thanks guys was starting to stress here as I ordered one of these yesterday

Now the question is, are these sterile sounding emg like babies? I was hoping these would be somewhere between heavy rock and metal type pups with more warmth and dynamism than emgs.
 
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There's really no "backwards", per se-- just which side of the pickup's tendencies you want to bring to the forefront. I had a D-Sonic (the Crunch Lab's precursor) and couldn't get into it-- it'd be nice if the CL was a fairly large improvement on it. But then again, my amp is a vintage style amp, not necessarily a good match for the modernness of the CL/D-Sonic.

"Basically, the CL sounds like the bold new tone that you could expect from an all robot progressive metal band after they have wiped out humanity and decided to put on a show in celebration."

-- best thing I've read about a pickup in a loooong time. I simply must try one of these at some point...
 
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I thought I'd try to offset the fact that this isn't a typical crunch lab guitar type (basswood, flloyd, etc.) and read some reviews that favored the blade towards the bridge. Pretty easy to switch it around so I'll give that a shot this weekend and perhaps I'll feel different about my description of the crunch lab. If I don't feel any different, however, despite my reasonable cognitive abilities, I guess that would make me a "moron" by association; meaning my moronic ears somehow affecting (that's right affecting, not effecting) my overall intelligence. We'll find out next week!;)
 
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Now the question is, are these sterile sounding emg like babies? I was hoping these would be somewhere between heavy rock and metal type pups with more warmth and dynamism than emgs.

Don't stress my friend, I know that the mention of emg can be scary to most duncan users, but I assure you that even with the CL blade facing bridge you'll get more warmth and dynamism than any emg.
 
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Hah rocking man

I played some emgs a while ago, and loved the chugga chugga, but I naturally have an affinity to old blues (not the lame srv wankery), jazz and light rock, although I listen to lots of Thrice, Disturbed, Soad and Atreyu. Recently I picked up an Epi Lp custom for an absolute steal and it is naturally punchy and suits heavy stuff so I had been hunting around for pups to compliment this. I am praying that these will fit the bill :-D getting a liquifire neck too.

Excuse typing and grammar, shattered my wrist so can only type on my phone using my left hand.
 
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I've got the Air Norton in the neck, which the Liquifire is loosely based on, and if you like Jazz and smooth singing leads it is the best. I'm not so sure about this set for blues/rock, even in parallel, coil splits, etc. these dimarzios just don't sound like pafs, which is what I prefer for those genres.
 
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Totally agree with your description with the bar facing the bridge. I turned mine around and like it much better.
 
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I turned it around (bar facing neck) and have been playing with it a bit. Totally warms up the attack and the power chords and fixes the main issues. The cleans sound much better too. That bar coil is pretty crazy, it's brighter than the other coil even when it's facing the neck. A good match for this guitar, no mud to speak of, I really cranked the gain past where I would usually have it and crystal clear. I still think this is modern shredder, not super versatile, but what awesome unique sounds I'm hearing.
 
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See, your not a moron! :bigok:

It's a totally different pup when ya flip it...
 
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D Sonic and Crunch Lab must be placed with the blade towards the neck.

I have tried both ways, blade towards the bridge is all medium and very bright ice picking, but the warm sound came up with the blade towards the neck.
 
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Yeah, I wish (before I installed it) that I had read others emphasizing the "must". There is a ridiculous difference if you ask me. The blade to bridge sound was so weird that I actually might miss it, I feel like it would be great to switch it back now and then to record some solos because it sounds insane and cuts like a samurai sword, but overall I agree that the blade to neck is a must no matter what guitar/tuning/style/amp/etc.
 
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The thick blade on those pickups is the equivalent of the stud poles, only even more metal mass that emphasizes mids & bass. Putting that coil towards the bridge is going to emphasize the highs and deemphasize lower frequencies. Thinner, brighter lower output sound.
 
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Now I'm thinking of magnet swap ideas, it's a sickness really. I should probably leave this thing alone, not sure how dimarzio mag swaps work but I'm going to start looking into it.
 
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Let me know :-D thinking of trying am a8 with the rail bridge side for brightness
 
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From what I've read there is some glue holding the magnet in place, I'm sure I can get it loose but not sure what is going to hold the new magnet in place, I guess it will just stay put? I'm probably not going to dig into this pickup, might be more trouble than it's worth. I haven't heard of anyone successfully swapping a magnet in a crunchlab, I probably shouldn't be the first.
 
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^you can always be the first. Go for it and tell us how it sounds.
 
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