Derek Trucks
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Re: Derek Trucks
Cool! And thanks!
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Cool! And thanks!
Lew
Lee_M.
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Re: Derek Trucks
Well, at the Beacon, he was using '57 Classics - I am positive of it. However, the guitar on the cover of GP is different from his Beacon DVD '61 reissue. The Beacon guiar has signatures at the upper left horn. The '61 on the cover has sigs on the lower bottom.
But, GP, is right and DT has been saying for years that he's used Antiquities. I believe Jeremy (about 3 years ago) said that there is nothing better than an SG/Antiquities/'64-'65 Super. Jeremy is definitely right.
Derek definitely has more than one SG, you can count on it. Lew thanks for confirming the GP statement. :arms:
jdm61 said:
Well, at the Beacon, he was using '57 Classics - I am positive of it. However, the guitar on the cover of GP is different from his Beacon DVD '61 reissue. The Beacon guiar has signatures at the upper left horn. The '61 on the cover has sigs on the lower bottom.
But, GP, is right and DT has been saying for years that he's used Antiquities. I believe Jeremy (about 3 years ago) said that there is nothing better than an SG/Antiquities/'64-'65 Super. Jeremy is definitely right.
Derek definitely has more than one SG, you can count on it. Lew thanks for confirming the GP statement. :arms:
Re: Derek Trucks
LEW better have good ears
I skipped the FRALINS and BOUGHT the PEARLY GATES just because LEW goes on and on and on
I called his shop once and got his assistant or friend. So, I am taking the work of a guy I do know from Adam, but trust with my sound (and my sound is important to me, personally speaking).
LEW better have good ears
I skipped the FRALINS and BOUGHT the PEARLY GATES just because LEW goes on and on and on
I called his shop once and got his assistant or friend. So, I am taking the work of a guy I do know from Adam, but trust with my sound (and my sound is important to me, personally speaking).
Re: Derek Trucks
Its interesting that both guitarists from ABB get that kind of sound from minimal gear. I saw an interview with Warren Haynes. He said for the Mule stuff, he uses Marshall, Soldano, Diaz, effects, etc, but for the Beacon CD it was just him plugged straight into a 100w Plexi RI.
Its interesting that both guitarists from ABB get that kind of sound from minimal gear. I saw an interview with Warren Haynes. He said for the Mule stuff, he uses Marshall, Soldano, Diaz, effects, etc, but for the Beacon CD it was just him plugged straight into a 100w Plexi RI.
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Lewguitar
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Re: Derek Trucks
I don't recall saying that Derek Trucks used Antiquitys. What I think I said is that from his tone, it sounds like he's using alnico 2 humbuckers rather than alnico 5. I probably said something like: they might be 57 Classics but Seth Lovers or Antiquitys would be even better.
When the 57 Classics came out I thought they were the best HB's Gibson had made since the 60's, but I also found them to be just a little bit metallic. The A2 Burstbuckers sound better to me and in my buddy's Plain Top Historic Les Paul, they remind me alot of the '58 Les Paul I owned around 1970.
As far as Duncan A2 humbuckers go, I like the Seths, Antiquitys and Pearly Gates...and the Custom Custom if you want something hotter than a vintage paf.
It's not that hard to tell the diff between a2 and a5 once you've got both sounds in your head.
I can tell that Clapton is using alnico 5 (or 4) pafs with John Mayall, alnico 2 pafs on Fresh Cream and alnico 5 HB's on Disrali Gears and later Cream albums.
There's a plucky warmth to the mids and less bite or edge to the treble with alnico 2.
Lew
I don't recall saying that Derek Trucks used Antiquitys. What I think I said is that from his tone, it sounds like he's using alnico 2 humbuckers rather than alnico 5. I probably said something like: they might be 57 Classics but Seth Lovers or Antiquitys would be even better.
When the 57 Classics came out I thought they were the best HB's Gibson had made since the 60's, but I also found them to be just a little bit metallic. The A2 Burstbuckers sound better to me and in my buddy's Plain Top Historic Les Paul, they remind me alot of the '58 Les Paul I owned around 1970.
As far as Duncan A2 humbuckers go, I like the Seths, Antiquitys and Pearly Gates...and the Custom Custom if you want something hotter than a vintage paf.
It's not that hard to tell the diff between a2 and a5 once you've got both sounds in your head.
I can tell that Clapton is using alnico 5 (or 4) pafs with John Mayall, alnico 2 pafs on Fresh Cream and alnico 5 HB's on Disrali Gears and later Cream albums.
There's a plucky warmth to the mids and less bite or edge to the treble with alnico 2.
Lew
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Re: Derek Trucks
Interesting Lew.....I know a couple of guys at the shop I go to who like the 57's better than the BB's. I asked why and they said because they are potted and don't squeal like the Seths or BB's. Didn't know that....or if it's bu even true. The ones I had in my 90's R7 sounded great but the BB's that cam in the R9 sounded pretty darn good too. The fact that there are so many more great pickups around today makes our jobs as gearheads and tweak freaks really tough.....lol
Interesting Lew.....I know a couple of guys at the shop I go to who like the 57's better than the BB's. I asked why and they said because they are potted and don't squeal like the Seths or BB's. Didn't know that....or if it's bu even true. The ones I had in my 90's R7 sounded great but the BB's that cam in the R9 sounded pretty darn good too. The fact that there are so many more great pickups around today makes our jobs as gearheads and tweak freaks really tough.....lol
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Lewguitar
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Re: Derek Trucks
The Seths don't have a problem with squeeling...not usually anyway.
I wish people wouldn't just assume that if a humbucking pickup isn't wax potted that it is definately going to squeel.
Lew
The Seths don't have a problem with squeeling...not usually anyway.
I wish people wouldn't just assume that if a humbucking pickup isn't wax potted that it is definately going to squeel.Lew
jdm61 said:
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Re: Derek Trucks
I've worked with Derek a handful of times and that tone is TOTALLY in his hands.
Just like Warren, Billy G. EVH, Leslie West, Zakk Wylde, etc.
They could plug anything into anything and it's going to sound like them, maybe just a little different from one guitar or amp to another but the meat of the tone is in the touch.
The last time I worked with the DTB (live gigs, just over a year ago) he was traveling with a pair of SG's (a real-deal '60's and the reissue) and his entire chain was guitar > cable > Super Reverb running on 6-8 of 10 with the 'verb set to about 4 or 5 at the most. His Boss tuner was sitting on top of the amp and he'd unplug from the amp and plug into the tuner, then plug back into the amp...about 2 and a half feet from where I was standing.
No pick either, it was all fingers!
I've also heard Derek play through a Fender Super Six, blackface Champs, Silverface Princetons with his SG's, Les Pauls, even a Tele...all kinds of stuff and it ALWAYS sounds like him.
Really it just made me want to go home & woodshed for another thousand years!
jdm61 said:
I've worked with Derek a handful of times and that tone is TOTALLY in his hands.
Just like Warren, Billy G. EVH, Leslie West, Zakk Wylde, etc.
They could plug anything into anything and it's going to sound like them, maybe just a little different from one guitar or amp to another but the meat of the tone is in the touch.
The last time I worked with the DTB (live gigs, just over a year ago) he was traveling with a pair of SG's (a real-deal '60's and the reissue) and his entire chain was guitar > cable > Super Reverb running on 6-8 of 10 with the 'verb set to about 4 or 5 at the most. His Boss tuner was sitting on top of the amp and he'd unplug from the amp and plug into the tuner, then plug back into the amp...about 2 and a half feet from where I was standing.
No pick either, it was all fingers!
I've also heard Derek play through a Fender Super Six, blackface Champs, Silverface Princetons with his SG's, Les Pauls, even a Tele...all kinds of stuff and it ALWAYS sounds like him.
Really it just made me want to go home & woodshed for another thousand years!
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Re: Derek Trucks
ive seen derek 4 times so far with the allman brothers, and his tone is the best i have ever heard (clean tone, his is tied with duane allman's). its amazing. and yes, he uses no pedals, just guitar to amp (which i love). and no pick gives a really cool sound.
and warren used pedals for the beacon dvd, not only can u see it on the dvd, i was at one of the shows that was filmed and i saw him use pedals alot....
ive seen derek 4 times so far with the allman brothers, and his tone is the best i have ever heard (clean tone, his is tied with duane allman's). its amazing. and yes, he uses no pedals, just guitar to amp (which i love). and no pick gives a really cool sound.
and warren used pedals for the beacon dvd, not only can u see it on the dvd, i was at one of the shows that was filmed and i saw him use pedals alot....
Re: Derek Trucks
warren still uses two amps with the brothers, a marshall and a diaz.
ive seen derek play thru a randall (different one than the beacon dvd, although he sounds great there too) and sound great. it really is in the hands. the last few times ive seen him, he's had two sgs. one that i think had antiquitys, the other had 57 classics i bet. the one he played most had the ants and sounded sweeter, the other had a little more edge and bite. i saw him break 3 strings in one show this summer so there was lots of guitar switching
warren still uses two amps with the brothers, a marshall and a diaz.
ive seen derek play thru a randall (different one than the beacon dvd, although he sounds great there too) and sound great. it really is in the hands. the last few times ive seen him, he's had two sgs. one that i think had antiquitys, the other had 57 classics i bet. the one he played most had the ants and sounded sweeter, the other had a little more edge and bite. i saw him break 3 strings in one show this summer so there was lots of guitar switching
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Lewguitar
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I've seen him play recently too. I loved his version of that Horace Silver (I think???) tune: Afro Blue.
He just played one SG all night through a blackface Fender Super Reverb. I had no way of knowing what exact pickups were in his guitar other than that they sounded like alnico 2 humbuckers and sounded smoother than I remember my 57 Classics sounding...but I don't play exclusively with my thumb and fingers the way he does.
Jeremy's description of the Antiquitys sounding sweeter and the 57 Classics having more edge and bite is spot on accurate, IMO. I heard the 57 Classics that came in my Les Paul 59 Historic as being just a little metallic...although other than the Burstbuckers I think the 57 Classics were the best sounding humbuckers Gibson had come up with since the early 60's.
Lew
jeremy said:
I've seen him play recently too. I loved his version of that Horace Silver (I think???) tune: Afro Blue.
He just played one SG all night through a blackface Fender Super Reverb. I had no way of knowing what exact pickups were in his guitar other than that they sounded like alnico 2 humbuckers and sounded smoother than I remember my 57 Classics sounding...but I don't play exclusively with my thumb and fingers the way he does.
Jeremy's description of the Antiquitys sounding sweeter and the 57 Classics having more edge and bite is spot on accurate, IMO. I heard the 57 Classics that came in my Les Paul 59 Historic as being just a little metallic...although other than the Burstbuckers I think the 57 Classics were the best sounding humbuckers Gibson had come up with since the early 60's.
Lew
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Re: Derek Trucks
You are right! Not Horace Silver...Mongo Santamaria wrote Afro Blue.
Thanks!
Truant said:Mongo Santamaria
...a drummer!
You are right! Not Horace Silver...Mongo Santamaria wrote Afro Blue.
Thanks!
gripweed
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Re: Derek Trucks
The original post was based upon something Lew said in previous threads about Derek Trucks SG sounding like it had a2 magnets in the pickups, not anything about any particular pickup itself. All of the pickups used by Trucks, mentioned in the article, and here are a2 AFAIK.
BTW, he claims he uses the neck pickup almost exclusively in the article!
Lewguitar said:
The original post was based upon something Lew said in previous threads about Derek Trucks SG sounding like it had a2 magnets in the pickups, not anything about any particular pickup itself. All of the pickups used by Trucks, mentioned in the article, and here are a2 AFAIK.
BTW, he claims he uses the neck pickup almost exclusively in the article!
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