DiMarzio Haters - Why?
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Peaveyologist
Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
I'm only skimming the last few posts, but it looks like its already been pointed out that the double-cream is a trademark rather than a patent. I don't like it either, but I can sorta see why a company would do that . . . if they can get away with it.
If a dark brown delivery truck runs you off the road, you're gonna be cursing UPS, regardless of who's name is on the side. I imagine that color of step-van is "trademarked".
I'm only skimming the last few posts, but it looks like its already been pointed out that the double-cream is a trademark rather than a patent. I don't like it either, but I can sorta see why a company would do that . . . if they can get away with it.
If a dark brown delivery truck runs you off the road, you're gonna be cursing UPS, regardless of who's name is on the side. I imagine that color of step-van is "trademarked".
Luke Duke
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
Glad it helped you out some!
For me the trademarks....all of them, make me angry. I can understand your indifference on the dbl creme due to the pup covers, but the mirror finish previously existed and it just seems shady to me.
I've never said Dimarzios sound bad either.
In fact I think later Malmsteem tone is great strat tone.
Luke
Glad it helped you out some!
For me the trademarks....all of them, make me angry. I can understand your indifference on the dbl creme due to the pup covers, but the mirror finish previously existed and it just seems shady to me.
I've never said Dimarzios sound bad either.
In fact I think later Malmsteem tone is great strat tone. Luke
YJM_Rocks
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
I'm just as willing to buy DiMarzio as I am Duncan. If it suits my sound, then i'll buy it. I don't like the trademark thing though. Are they going to trademark mirror finish covers next?
Malmsteen has great tone on "Attack". Listen to the beginning of Stronghold. Pure Strat+Marshall Heaven!
I'm just as willing to buy DiMarzio as I am Duncan. If it suits my sound, then i'll buy it. I don't like the trademark thing though. Are they going to trademark mirror finish covers next?
Malmsteen has great tone on "Attack". Listen to the beginning of Stronghold. Pure Strat+Marshall Heaven!
krankguitarist
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
Gah. worst, pickup, ever.
On a side note, i'll sell you an f-spaced dropsonic, 50 bucks shipped .
I used to play a lot of dimarzios, then I dropped in a few seymour duncans, and now I mostly only play duncans. I just find that I like the actual pickup models of duncans more than dimarzios.
Simply put, I've never met a duncan that I didnt like, but about 80% of the dimarzio's I've tried I absolutely hated. I've tried tweaking my setup with them, but they just don't give me the sound I'm looking for. The Fred and Chopper are excellent bridge postion p'ups though.
RiffGuy said:
Gah. worst, pickup, ever.
On a side note, i'll sell you an f-spaced dropsonic, 50 bucks shipped
.I used to play a lot of dimarzios, then I dropped in a few seymour duncans, and now I mostly only play duncans. I just find that I like the actual pickup models of duncans more than dimarzios.
Simply put, I've never met a duncan that I didnt like, but about 80% of the dimarzio's I've tried I absolutely hated. I've tried tweaking my setup with them, but they just don't give me the sound I'm looking for. The Fred and Chopper are excellent bridge postion p'ups though.
XSSIVE
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
i had one for a while in a strat i sold and i think i miss the pickup more than the strat lol. for low tuning drop D and drop C that thing kicked ass very articulate never muddy and in E it sounded pretty good also very tight low end but not thin...but for the most part i used it for drop C as it was made for and it works great for that.
i've also used a tone zone that i liked and still have waiting for another guitar to try it in and i'm about to try a breed in hopes that it will thicken up a strat.
i don't hate dimarzio's i just hate the patent on colors BS and if the breed doesn't work for me i'm getting it in the new chrome and sending it to duncan to be rewound lol.
-Mike
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i had one for a while in a strat i sold and i think i miss the pickup more than the strat lol. for low tuning drop D and drop C that thing kicked ass very articulate never muddy and in E it sounded pretty good also very tight low end but not thin...but for the most part i used it for drop C as it was made for and it works great for that.
i've also used a tone zone that i liked and still have waiting for another guitar to try it in and i'm about to try a breed in hopes that it will thicken up a strat.
i don't hate dimarzio's i just hate the patent on colors BS and if the breed doesn't work for me i'm getting it in the new chrome and sending it to duncan to be rewound lol.
-Mike
Benjy_26
25's Nemesis
Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
I like how some DMZ's sound, moslty their hum-cancelling strat offerings (loved the virtual Vintage, Fast Track 1 & 2, adn liked the HS-3 for clean strat tones) and an old double cream humbucker that I got in a box of parts.
I don't know what it is, but it has twelve allen screw polepieces, two conductor braided wire, and it measures about 13.4K on my Radioshack digital Multimeter.
That being said, while installing one HS-3, the Fast Track 1 & 2, and the Virtual Vintage '54, I did pull some leads loose from the pickups. It was nothing I couldn't fix, but it did freak me out a bit, and it's never happened with Duncans, Rio's, Carvins, EMG's, or the Fender CS pickups Ive installed.
Also, the whole issue with trademarking a color or aesthetic design (like Gibson did with the single-cuts) is offesnive to me. Like Luke Duke brought up, I think most of us are smart enough to tell the difference between a Dimarzio and a Duncan, even if both are double cream.
I like how some DMZ's sound, moslty their hum-cancelling strat offerings (loved the virtual Vintage, Fast Track 1 & 2, adn liked the HS-3 for clean strat tones) and an old double cream humbucker that I got in a box of parts.
I don't know what it is, but it has twelve allen screw polepieces, two conductor braided wire, and it measures about 13.4K on my Radioshack digital Multimeter.
That being said, while installing one HS-3, the Fast Track 1 & 2, and the Virtual Vintage '54, I did pull some leads loose from the pickups. It was nothing I couldn't fix, but it did freak me out a bit, and it's never happened with Duncans, Rio's, Carvins, EMG's, or the Fender CS pickups Ive installed.
Also, the whole issue with trademarking a color or aesthetic design (like Gibson did with the single-cuts) is offesnive to me. Like Luke Duke brought up, I think most of us are smart enough to tell the difference between a Dimarzio and a Duncan, even if both are double cream.
wixedmords
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
I use and love pickups from both manufacturers.
I don't own or have a need for cream pickups.
I base judgements on the pickup, not the manufacturer.
I don't want to miss something due to a prejudice. This works for me.
It isn't good to hate something, you may need it one day, and then you eat crow.
Keep your choices open.
EDIT: this only works for me, not trying to change anyone.
Hey Ranalli..... pcvarney
I use and love pickups from both manufacturers.
I don't own or have a need for cream pickups.
I base judgements on the pickup, not the manufacturer.
I don't want to miss something due to a prejudice. This works for me.
It isn't good to hate something, you may need it one day, and then you eat crow.
Keep your choices open.
EDIT: this only works for me, not trying to change anyone.
Hey Ranalli..... pcvarney
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Sniper-V
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
Hmmm....
I've always wondered why Duncan never used "PAF" in the namming of a pickup.... now I know. I guess its not that bad, because how many pickups can you make with PAF in the name. Uh, lets ask Dimarzio.
Which brings me to "my opinions" on the 2 brands:
- I do believe that Duncans have more of a "vintage" vibe, where Dimarzios are more "modern". Even if you look at their heavy endorsers or pro users, you get a general idea of what type of tone they are after.
Duncan: Slash
Dimarzio: Satriani, Vai, Malmsteen
- I haven't tried all Dimarzios but I still haven't found one I really liked, where with Duncans I can't get enough guitars to put their pups in.
- I can't stand Dimarzio's line. They just have too many pickups that are too similar. I mean, come on, PAF Pro & PAF Joe. PAF & PAF Classic. Where does it end? :smack:
Duncan's line is broken down and organized smarter, which is better for consumers. Best of all, most of their pups are very different and if they are similar you will know why they are still different. It seems that Duncan focus their pups to a realativley small but effective selection.
- Trademarking PAF & Dbl Cream = I don't like it, its just playing dirty... and now colored pups, when will it end? :lame:
I haven't ruled out Dimarzio as a good product, I just don't like any of them and not to mention some of their buisness practices. I like to mention that, I'm not a fan of Gibson's buisness practices, but I still buy Les Pauls including the '57 Goldtop I have on layaway. Thank GOD for the Gibson Custom Shop! :arms:
Sniper-V
Hmmm....
I've always wondered why Duncan never used "PAF" in the namming of a pickup.... now I know. I guess its not that bad, because how many pickups can you make with PAF in the name. Uh, lets ask Dimarzio.
Which brings me to "my opinions" on the 2 brands:
- I do believe that Duncans have more of a "vintage" vibe, where Dimarzios are more "modern". Even if you look at their heavy endorsers or pro users, you get a general idea of what type of tone they are after.
Duncan: Slash
Dimarzio: Satriani, Vai, Malmsteen
- I haven't tried all Dimarzios but I still haven't found one I really liked, where with Duncans I can't get enough guitars to put their pups in.
- I can't stand Dimarzio's line. They just have too many pickups that are too similar. I mean, come on, PAF Pro & PAF Joe. PAF & PAF Classic. Where does it end? :smack:
Duncan's line is broken down and organized smarter, which is better for consumers. Best of all, most of their pups are very different and if they are similar you will know why they are still different. It seems that Duncan focus their pups to a realativley small but effective selection.
- Trademarking PAF & Dbl Cream = I don't like it, its just playing dirty... and now colored pups, when will it end? :lame:
I haven't ruled out Dimarzio as a good product, I just don't like any of them and not to mention some of their buisness practices. I like to mention that, I'm not a fan of Gibson's buisness practices, but I still buy Les Pauls including the '57 Goldtop I have on layaway. Thank GOD for the Gibson Custom Shop! :arms:
Sniper-V
Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
I've always been more of a DiMarzio and EMG fan (I've owned and tried more of their pups than Duncans), but I love Duncans, too. I recently dealt with DiMarzio's customer service and got great, helpful responses and great results with ordering a Petrucci toggle switch for my Carvin. I've also read in some magazines how Larry and Steve B. can be jerks, but I've not dealt with them personally, so I don't know. I really don't agree with their double creme color patent thing, but that won't stop me from buying any of their pups.
I actually just bought a Blaze single coil which will go in the neck of my Schecter Elite 007 with a Duncan Custom 7 in the bridge... now we'll just have to see how well they play together! LOL
I've always been more of a DiMarzio and EMG fan (I've owned and tried more of their pups than Duncans), but I love Duncans, too. I recently dealt with DiMarzio's customer service and got great, helpful responses and great results with ordering a Petrucci toggle switch for my Carvin. I've also read in some magazines how Larry and Steve B. can be jerks, but I've not dealt with them personally, so I don't know. I really don't agree with their double creme color patent thing, but that won't stop me from buying any of their pups.
I actually just bought a Blaze single coil which will go in the neck of my Schecter Elite 007 with a Duncan Custom 7 in the bridge... now we'll just have to see how well they play together! LOL
Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
Related side Note: WD Music Products (Patent of the Lipstick Tube pup) and Ruby Tubes /Magic Parts (Legal action against Paul Ruby Amplification, where it´s made very clear to the consumer that there is no relation, and where the name is in fact registered for supplies and not amplifiers...) do the same thing, and receive the same treatment from me...I used to semi-endorse Ruby tubes and their SP12CEL Speakers until this happened....it took all of 2 weeks for me to switch to GT Tubes and Eminence Speakers...Not with ME, guys, and not with my money, either :fing25:
And that´s something that (I´d guess) about 5.5 billlion people still need to learn: As soon as you add capitalism as a business-model into your society, the only votes that count are the ones you cast with your wallet.
And judging by tha, I´ve got a few conclusions:
1. this kind of business practise is strongly supported by the masses
2. the whole world LOVES China and other oppressive regimes
3. Nobody cares whether they´ll have work anymore when they´re 40, becasue they´re actively paying for those jobs to go to China, Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia et. al
Do some of you really think Levis are still made in the US? Or Nike ever was? Or almost any "American" brand of mass-product still is?
+100 These are the reasons I do not recommend or buy, nor do I accept them as a gift or allow them to be bought on my behalf. Until I learned of these issues, I would gladly install Dimarzios for any customer. As soon as I learned of them, I immediately sold my entire Dimarzio stock and told anyone who wanted a DImarzio to please choose a brand I can sell with a good conscience or go somewhere else, this included custom guitars that were not in process yetLuke Duke said:
Related side Note: WD Music Products (Patent of the Lipstick Tube pup) and Ruby Tubes /Magic Parts (Legal action against Paul Ruby Amplification, where it´s made very clear to the consumer that there is no relation, and where the name is in fact registered for supplies and not amplifiers...) do the same thing, and receive the same treatment from me...I used to semi-endorse Ruby tubes and their SP12CEL Speakers until this happened....it took all of 2 weeks for me to switch to GT Tubes and Eminence Speakers...Not with ME, guys, and not with my money, either :fing25:
And that´s something that (I´d guess) about 5.5 billlion people still need to learn: As soon as you add capitalism as a business-model into your society, the only votes that count are the ones you cast with your wallet.
And judging by tha, I´ve got a few conclusions:
1. this kind of business practise is strongly supported by the masses
2. the whole world LOVES China and other oppressive regimes
3. Nobody cares whether they´ll have work anymore when they´re 40, becasue they´re actively paying for those jobs to go to China, Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia et. al
Do some of you really think Levis are still made in the US? Or Nike ever was? Or almost any "American" brand of mass-product still is?
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Stringmachine
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Re: DiMarzio Haters - Why?
I have no problems with DiMarzio what so ever. So they patented double creem bobbins. This happens in the business world all the time.
About the construction beeing poorer, thats BS IMO. As long as the pup works in the way it was intended, who cares?
Soundwise I prefer SD because to me they sound more vintage than DiMarzio. But I've had a few DiMarzios in other guitars for a more modern sound and they sounded great. By the way, I have just ordered a set of EMG 81/85 as well.
I have no problems with DiMarzio what so ever. So they patented double creem bobbins. This happens in the business world all the time.
About the construction beeing poorer, thats BS IMO. As long as the pup works in the way it was intended, who cares?
Soundwise I prefer SD because to me they sound more vintage than DiMarzio. But I've had a few DiMarzios in other guitars for a more modern sound and they sounded great. By the way, I have just ordered a set of EMG 81/85 as well.
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