Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

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Hi guys, I've been lurking for years but finally decided to create an account. I have a question/dilemma and would love to hear some of your expert opinions. And fair warning, I’m going to use the term “djent”, but only as a description of a certain tone and style. I promise I’m not one of THOSE players ;)

First things first: The guitars in question here are 3 Schecter Gryphons, tuned low to A, A# and B, running through a POD HD500X. Musical style is hard rock/metal/prog metal, anywhere from radio stuff like Chevelle, to prog metal like Tool, to modern djenty stuff like Tesseract.

I'm outfitting all my guitars with the same/similar pickups in order to maintain some consistency (got kinda sick of tweaking all of my patches for each guitar). I should also mention that I’m on a budget and am sticking with mid-range pickups, so no need to tell me to go for the “real thing”. I understand the tradeoffs. After some experimentation with different cheapos (GFS Crunchy Pat and Crunchy Rails, Warman Dominator, various Artec, etc), I’ve narrowed down my choices for the bridge to the Duncan Designed HB 102 and HB 103. Each has qualities I like. But I can’t find a good middle between the two…

My question: does swapping the magnet change the “voice” of the pickup? I love the full, throaty sound of the HB 102, but can’t get it to djent. It would work great for all my other needs. On the other hand, the HB 103 is tighter and djents well enough, but sounds rather sterile for full chords and rhythmic stuff.

I’m hoping swapping the magnets will land me in a good middle ground. I’m looking at an Alnico 8 for either/both. I hear this will round out the highs and fill in the mids on the HB 102. Or hopefully it would warm up the HB 103 and give it some personality whilst retaining it’s tightness. I’m also considering an A4 or A5 in the HB 103, though I’m not sure what to expect from those at such low tunings.

It seems that the winding/construction would play as big a role as the magnets. Which pickup has better bones and might lend itself better to change? The HB 102 just seems more full by nature, and I’d love to maintain that while tightening it up for djenting purposes. But would adding an A8 really achieve that? Or would I have better luck trying to fill out the HB 103’s voice with something Alnico while retaining it’s inherit tightness?

Any other mods to consider? Opinions please!


TL;DR: Looking for full AND tight sound. Mag swap for Alnico 8 in DD HB 102? Or A4/A5/A8 in HB 103?
 
Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

What's wrong with people that play "djent"?

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Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

Haha nothing actually. It was more of TIC statement since some occasionally view the term negatively. I listen to and play djenty progressive metal.
 
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Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

Ok. I wasn't trying to derail, but it set me to wondering.

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Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

Oh, and the A8 might just be the ticket for what you want.

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Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

Oh, and the A8 might just be the ticket for what you want.

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I really hope so. Do you think the 102 or 103 would benefit more from the upgrade?

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Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

Remind me, which Duncan models are those based on?

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Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

Mag swaps are a bit variable. Some pickups are a bit more bland or flat in fundamental tone, which tends to make them both more accepting of any incoming mag swap but also more influenced by the tonality of the mag. The Custom and the 59 are examples.
Others have a fairly strong wind characteristic so the mag swap is more of an eq 'tune'. Sometimes you can actually have issue here, as you might have a spike in a certain frequency that the mag accentuates. A good example is an A5 JB and the upper mid spike. Swap in an UOA5 or A2 and it becomes way less strident.
 
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JB and Distortion

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Oh, that's right. Yep, A8 should work. Output like a ceramic, but with an Alnico flavor. You could even try an A9 if you can find one and want to get really crazy.

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Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

Mag swaps are a bit variable. Some pickups are a bit more bland or flat in fundamental tone, which tends to make them both more accepting of any incoming mag swap but also more influenced by the tonality of the mag. The Custom and the 59 are examples.
Others have a fairly strong wind characteristic so the mag swap is more of an eq 'tune'. Sometimes you can actually have issue here, as you might have a spike in a certain frequency that the mag accentuates. A good example is an A5 JB and the upper mid spike. Swap in an UOA5 or A2 and it becomes way less strident.
Interesting point. When you say fundamental tone, I assume this is primarily the wind and construction? I suppose by this logic, the HB 103 might have the most to gain AND retain some tightness?

I had not considered UO mags, I need to go read up on those.

I do currently have one of each pup. I don't want to take much more time experimenting, but maybe I just need to get it over with.
 
Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

Oh, that's right. Yep, A8 should work. Output like a ceramic, but with an Alnico flavor. You could even try an A9 if you can find one and want to get really crazy.

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Oh man, I didn't even know there was an A9...looks like it might be decent in the 102 but not great in the 103.

I'm about to order a few A8s and an UO A5. Any others suggestions before I pull the trigger?
 
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Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

You might also want to try a regular ceramic.

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Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

You might also want to try a regular ceramic.

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103 is ceramic, 102 is A5. I might swap the two while I'm waiting for A8 to arrive
 
Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

The ceramic in the 103 is probably double thick. A regular ceramic will give a different characters.

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Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

Oh, and given that the JB and Distortion are very similar in construction aside from the magnets, I would figure that the Duncan Designed are also.

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Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

The ceramic in the 103 is probably double thick. A regular ceramic will give a different characters.

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I measured it last night, .125 thick. Is that standard?
 
Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

i believe the 103 uses a standard thickness magnet, not double thick like the sh6b
 
Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

i believe the 103 uses a standard thickness magnet, not double thick like the sh6b
I'll defer to you on this.

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Re: Does a magnet swap change the "voice" of a pickup?

As one that modded many Duncan Designed p'ups, the HB102 and HB103 are VERY LOOSELY based on either the Hot Rod set and the Mayhem set.

To my ears, the HB102N sounds closer to a '59n than a JazzN and the HB103N sounds like a PAF with a ceramic mag.

Taking off all what's possible of the wax, putting 1022 screws and 1215 slugs in both the HB102N and HB103N, makes'em pretty nice, no-mud neck p'ups.

My fave modded combos are an A3 mag in the HB102N, with a 1010 screws, 1018 slugs and an A2 HB102B in a semi-hollow for Vintage-y Jazzy and Bluesy tones, and an A4 mag in both the HB103N and in the HB103B, but with 1018 screws and slugs in it in a LP for Classic Rock and British Blues tones. I've too changed the stock chrome-plated brass covers with Nickel-plated Nickesilver ones.

But if you're looking for p'ups that djent, forget about the Duncan Designed p'ups and look no further than the Black Winter set.

HTH,
 
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