Double Cream not allowed anymore?

[Artie]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

It doesn't "piss me off". Its simply the reason I'll never buy a DMZ pup. Ever!

Edit: I should expand on this. It's Larry's most profound statement of how little faith he has in the quality and tone of his own pickups. If he doesn't believe in his own product, I'm certainly not going to take a chance. Or waste my money.

 

[Ayrton]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

I was told by a ex-forum SD dealer that when Yngwie switched to Duncans, Larry Dimarzio became a little furious and the heat on the whole "double creme" thing started to simmer a bit. It's totaly ridiculous in my opinion. A good reason to stick with Duncans, regardless of the color!

It also didn't help that every other day there was a thread talking about it. The whole thing was done on the "down low", but that **** is over.

 

[JOLLY]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

It also didn't help that every other day there was a thread talking about it. The whole thing was done on the "down low", but that **** is over.

Yeah, that kind of blew it.

 

[TattooedCarrot]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

My Brobucker is double cream.

 

[marvelous_seven]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

I hope PATB design is also trademarked by Seymour,so Larry could never make a copy based on it.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

I hope PATB design is also trademarked by Seymour,so Larry could never make a copy based on it.

Too expensive to produce. Larry would NEVER make a p'up without an insanely high markup.

You may or may not like the sound of it... but the materials used in the making of their p'ups are on the cheap side, no doubt about it.

He's the undisputed "King Of Cheap".

HTH,

 

[TattooedCarrot]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

Don't like the trademark thing at all, but I have dealt with Larry and he's been very nice and helpful, and he has a couple of pickups I really like a lot. In fact, the SuperD has become my all around go-to bridge pickup.

 

[newking70]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

HOW DO YOU FLIPIN TRADEMARK A COLOR? :banghead: SERIOUSLY THIS NEEDS TO BE CHALLENGED IN A COURT.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

HOW DO YOU FLIPIN TRADEMARK A COLOR? :banghead: SERIOUSLY THIS NEEDS TO BE CHALLENGED IN A COURT.

You can't. Once it's been accepted by the authority of Intellectual Property, there's absolutely NOTHING you can do legally.

HTH,

 

[newking70]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

You can't. Once it's been accepted by the authority of Intellectual Property, there's absolutely NOTHING you can do legally.

HTH,

maybe i'll trademark the sky.....you wanna look at you got to pay me. :dot:

 

[Ayrton]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

Guys, this has been beat to death...

Agree or not, in the '70's a double creme humbucker with double Allen heads was arguably recognized as a DiMarzio Super Distortion or Super 2. Larry capitalized on that and filed a trademark.

Kudos to him for thinking ahead when everyone else was selling covered humbuckers.

Larry even trademarked the term "PAF" and again no one else thought enough of it to challenge the application (successfully that is).

My understanding is DiMarzio used to look the other way when Duncan put a cover over the double creme bobbins, but that is no longer the case.

Yes, it sucks for us that want Duncans, but you can't hate on Larry because he saw value where others didn't.

 

[newking70]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

Yes, it sucks for us that want Duncans, but you can't hate on Larry because he saw value where others didn't.

nothing more than a squatter.

 

[newking70]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

what i tthink the sd company should do is make a color called pearly gates white and trademark it copywrite it whatever.

 

[Artie]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

HOW DO YOU FLIPIN TRADEMARK A COLOR? :banghead: SERIOUSLY THIS NEEDS TO BE CHALLENGED IN A COURT.

Actually, I think Duncan did take this to court . . . and lost.

 

[uOpt]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

SD did at least lawyer around this and got told that the trademark is not obviously invalid. The problem really is our stupid trademark and patent laws. The patent law as such isn't that stupid but since the patent office cannot obey to it (being overwhelmed but effective payed by patent granted and hence granting by default) it needs to be simplified so that it works again.

Trademarks shouldn't be allowed to be too trivial but alas that's something to tell your congressman.

 

[GuitarStv]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

Zebra HBs aren't patented right? If the SD custom shop isn't making them any more, just buy a zebra and reverse zebra version of the pickup you want, then do coil swaps to get one black and one cream HB. Then sell the black one on ebay to recoup your additional costs.

 

[uOpt]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

Zebra HBs aren't patented right? If the SD custom shop isn't making them any more, just buy a zebra and reverse zebra version of the pickup you want, then do coil swaps to get one black and one cream HB. Then sell the black one on ebay to recoup your additional costs.

The word "just" in there doesn't quite fit.

Larry DiMarzio "just" creates a huge pain the ass for everybody. Maybe he can pretend well enough to be a nice guy when talking to him, but this mess is created on his orders.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

Zebra HBs aren't patented right? If the SD custom shop isn't making them any more, just buy a zebra and reverse zebra version of the pickup you want, then do coil swaps to get one black and one cream HB. Then sell the black one on ebay to recoup your additional costs.

I simply LOVE complicated solutions for problem that shouldn't even exist in the first place.

Kudos, GuitarSTV!

You're a man of action... a man after my own heart!

Yours truly,

 

[GuitarStv]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

The word "just" in there doesn't quite fit.

Larry DiMarzio "just" creates a huge pain the ass for everybody. Maybe he can pretend well enough to be a nice guy when talking to him, but this mess is created on his orders.

I didn't say it was awesome. That trademark/patent is absolutely stupid . . . but there are ways around it.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Double Cream not allowed anymore?

IThat trademark/patent is absolutely stupid . . . but there are ways around it.

There's nothing wrong with the Trademark law per se. In Di Marzio's case, at the time maybe it wasn't enough information at the disposal of the Authority to realise the consequences in the whole p'up business of the enforcing of the trademark, so it accepted the request insted of rejecting it.

If you come up with something unique and your request applies and it's registered by the Authority, I find it more than fair that the law would prevent somebody else to ever make profits from what's been created by you. Think about it.

I don't like most products that Larry produces, but I just have to give the man the due credit for his role in the making of whole new industry, just as much as Seymour Duncan. Both were the pioneers, and both deserve their place in history.