DOUBLE SCREW COIL humbucker, with metal cover, without going full custom?

Re: DOUBLE SCREW COIL humbucker, with metal cover, without going full custom?

BUMP: - Does anybody know the answer to this?:
matt239 said:
Also, am I correct in thinking the FULL SHRED uses different wire? - It claims to have a lot more treble, less bass on the tone chart..
( 4-4-8 vs. 6-3-8 for the Custom5 & '59..) -and the neck states a higher resonant peak..
( I know, take the tone chart with a grain of salt, but it's supposed to give us SOME kind of a hint, right?)

Because otherwise, it's an A5 magnet, the neck has similar DCr to the '59n, and the bridge has similar DCr to the Custom5, and; TWO ROWS OF SCREWS.
It would be easy to change one or both rows of screws to regular, right? - If I chose to do so. - I might like allen screws just fine.
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In other words, is the only difference between a Full Shred neck, and a '59 neck, the 2 rows of allen screws? or is it a different wind?
Similarly, is the main difference between a Full Shred bridge, and a Custom5, the allen screws? or is it different wire?
 
Re: DOUBLE SCREW COIL humbucker, with metal cover, without going full custom?

59 neck and FS neck are different winds and wire.

FS and C5 are the same pickup minus the pole pieces
 
Re: DOUBLE SCREW COIL humbucker, with metal cover, without going full custom?

Purportedly the jazz neck and Full Shred neck are the same or similar with the difference being the hex poles.
 
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OK. So a Full Shred with Fillister screws, and a 12-hole cover, is pretty much the same thing as a Custom5 with double screw coils.
- I only have to decide which to get. (That is, the Full Shred, or just a stock Custom5 and not bother with double screw coils..)

Still trying to figure out the neck. - I'd probably like the Screamin Demon fine in the neck, but I'm not totally sure. - I do love the '59 sound. (Though, I'd probably put a '59b in the neck..)
I guess at this point, I should just get some and try them.

Though if anyone has more to say on the difference in sound between Demon, vs. '59, I'd like to hear about it,
or if anyone has a clip of someone playing clean/crunch with a Demon in the neck, I'd love to hear that!

Does a Demon have different wire than a '59?
 
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Re: DOUBLE SCREW COIL humbucker, with metal cover, without going full custom?

Hi matt, we all don't want to confuse you with our answers. But some of folks have a lot of experience with the stuff. Other folks like copperhead are winders and make their own pickups. But it seems you need some basic informations and some first hand experience to get the full meaning to some of this answers. I would advise you to use the search function to get some information about the metal parts of a pickup. You need to know what the dimension, the length, the weight, the head shape and the alloy of a screw do to a given pickup and you will learn that SD does only use a fraction of the possibilities.
Just to confuse you more i use also a double screw bridge humbucker in the way i use different screws under the plain and wound strings to get a more balanced output on all strings. My field of play is a Screaming Demon with a A8.
 
Re: DOUBLE SCREW COIL humbucker, with metal cover, without going full custom?

Just to toss completely different idea into the discussion: Suhr makes a few stock 12-screw pickups, the DSV, DSV+, DSH & DSH+. The DSV is more vintage-sounding, the DSH more modern, with the + denoting a higher wind variant of each. Both the DSV and DSH are available in neck or bridge versions.

I got a DSH bridge, and a cover from philaluthier which fits it fine. Sounds good in a mahogany bolt-on. Punchy, detailed, slightly glassy. My first Suhr pickup, and I like it.
 
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eclecticsynergy said:
Just to toss completely different idea into the discussion: Suhr makes a few stock 12-screw pickups, the DSV, DSV+, DSH & DSH+. The DSV is more vintage-sounding, the DSH more modern, with the + denoting a higher wind variant of each. Both the DSV and DSH are available in neck or bridge versions.

I got a DSH bridge, and a cover from philaluthier which fits it fine. Sounds good in a mahogany bolt-on. Punchy, detailed, slightly glassy. My first Suhr pickup, and I like it.
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Cool, Thanks! I'll check it out. :)
 
Re: DOUBLE SCREW COIL humbucker, with metal cover, without going full custom?

hamerfan said:
Hi matt, we all don't want to confuse you with our answers. But some of folks have a lot of experience with the stuff. Other folks like copperhead are winders and make their own pickups. But it seems you need some basic informations and some first hand experience to get the full meaning to some of this answers. I would advise you to use the search function to get some information about the metal parts of a pickup. You need to know what the dimension, the length, the weight, the head shape and the alloy of a screw do to a given pickup and you will learn that SD does only use a fraction of the possibilities.
Just to confuse you more i use also a double screw bridge humbucker in the way i use different screws under the plain and wound strings to get a more balanced output on all strings. My field of play is a Screaming Demon with a A8.
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- Please go ahead and confuse me, ;) I'll figure it out, or ask further questions..

I'm aware of some of the basic ideas about how different size/type of screws are supposed to affect things.. I have used the search function..

I think I've got it dialed down pretty close to what I want.
I was asking about the wire types, etc. because it would make a lot of sense to use a pickup that already exists, if it were the same except the screws. - That is what Edgecrusher said about the Full Shred Bridge & the Custom5; that they're essentially the same. So a cover and different screws would make a Full Shred into a double-screw-coil Custom5.

So I was curious what the differences are between Screamin' Demon, vs. '59. - They have different screws, of course, and the Demon has a slightly higher DCR, but does it use different wire?
- Is it a completely different animal from a '59?

Or does a Demon with a cover, and all fillister screws basically become a slightly overwound '59?
 
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matt239 said:
the Demon has a slightly higher DCR, but does it use different wire?
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I don't have one at hand to physically verify it, but it's most probably wound with AWG43 SPN wire.
 
Re: DOUBLE SCREW COIL humbucker, with metal cover, without going full custom?

matt239 said:
- Please go ahead and confuse me, ;) I'll figure it out, or ask further questions..

I'm aware of some of the basic ideas about how different size/type of screws are supposed to affect things.. I have used the search function..

I think I've got it dialed down pretty close to what I want.
I was asking about the wire types, etc. because it would make a lot of sense to use a pickup that already exists, if it were the same except the screws. - That is what Edgecrusher said about the Full Shred Bridge & the Custom5; that they're essentially the same. So a cover and different screws would make a Full Shred into a double-screw-coil Custom5.

So I was curious what the differences are between Screamin' Demon, vs. '59. - They have different screws, of course, and the Demon has a slightly higher DCR, but does it use different wire?
- Is it a completely different animal from a '59?

Or does a Demon with a cover, and all fillister screws basically become a slightly overwound '59?
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I tried a demon in the neck and it is working well , though it is a bit dark , for leads , for clean if splitted .
It has the same quality of the jazz neck ( fast pick attack , clarity ) but much darker , and a bit powerfull ( not enough finesse ) for things like blues etc .

I also tried a C5 in the bridge , and didn't like it because scooped , makes the high strings thin .

Your best bet would be a Full Shred or a Demon , the first one being more conventional , as the Demon is a special beast ,
witch often requires to be tweaked ( magnet , pole pieces ) .
 
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Re: DOUBLE SCREW COIL humbucker, with metal cover, without going full custom?

I agree RE the demon being particularly dark in the neck, like, REALLY dark, surprising since it is so shrill in the bridge. It sounded like the tone knob was half way down. I even tried replacing the filisters with allens, didn't really change that. Significantly darker than even a fairly dark neck pickup like an Air Norton.

Jazz neck & FS Neck are not the same wind FWIW. I'd also highly recommend the FS neck, and even with a ceramic mag which I found is surprisingly not shrill at all. Why they don't offer it with a 12 hole cover makes no sense to me.
 
Re: DOUBLE SCREW COIL humbucker, with metal cover, without going full custom?

I'm surprised to hear you guys say the Demon was dark. The tone chart shows it as bright as the Jazz, and more so than the Full Shred.. and I know a bunch of people here like Demon in the neck..
- but your input is welcome.
I actually never cared for the Jazz, it seems too bright to me, too much high treble. - I'm sure it's good for certain things. - I don't think I'd care for a Full Shred Neck, at the neck.
I think it would also be a bit bright for me. ?

DiMarzio does make several models with double screw coils, but from what I can tell, they all seem a little midrange heavy to me. I seem to not like Dimarzio pickups generally, compared to Duncans, they always sound too mid focused, and in just the wrong place for me, with the possible exception of the AREA series noiseless singles. - I know Dimarzio are well made, I just think they are aiming at something different than I am. - Their "PAF"-classic style bucker might be OK, but not better to me than a '59, - and it just has the one row of screws..

BTW; I know I'm putting a terribly fine point on all this.
- I KNOW I like the Custom5, and I KNOW I like the '59, (probably the "bridge" model in the neck..)
- I KNOW if I just got those two, they would sound DAMN FINE, and I'd be pretty happy.
- So we're just talking "in a perfect world" type stuff here. - Plus I find this all fascinating..

Really, the only thing that I might like different than the Custom5 @ bridge, and '59b @ neck, would be for that '59 to have two rows of screws, so that I can lower the neck-side screws under the 5th & 6th low strings, and raise the screws on the "bridge-side" of this neck pickup, under the 5th & 6th low strings..

I could make up a two-screw-coil '59 from two other '59s, or I could have Duncan make it for me, and they will either charge full-custom-shop price, or possibly a bit less, since it's existing parts.

We've all just been trying to see if something that already exists, or could be very lightly modified, (different screws, a cover..) would get me close enough..

Thanks for everyone's help. :) Please feel free to keep adding your input.
 
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