Duncan Distortion vs Black Winter?

[Kaleidoscope21]

Re: Duncan Distortion vs Black Winter?

And kaleidoscope21... That video just about gave me a chubby.. I'm buying one....right this second....
Edited: i just ordered it haha yeaaa

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Good for you dude. Hope you enjoy it, I don't think you'll regret it. When I was looking for my amp at the time I was considering either a Peavey 6505, ironheart or dark terror. When to my local music store and played them all. The Dark Terror was very fizzy and just didn't sound right to me. I then tried the Ironheart and 6505. Ironheart and Peavey both sounded really good. Peavey had a bit more gain but the Laney had an amazing clean channel so in the end I chose the Laney and never looked back.

 

[BloodRose]

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Quick question to OP I'm investing in a laney ironheart. The studio version though. I have a questiom for you, can the iromheart do djenty tones and modern metal (trivium avenged sevenfold) I'm fully aware it's capable of megadeth and such. I just severely hope it's what i have been gassiing for. My orange dark terror does not cut it.
Back to your question I'd go the distortion there's a good reason it's been a go to pickup for such a long time

Hey dude, I'm not a djent man myself but even with my actives, a Ironheart can djent. My 30 watt combo can get Melodeath, Black metal, death metal tones. It's super tight like ****ing elephant penis in a mouse's ass tight. But can also retain good clarity so I definitely think it can djent. It also has a built in boost, not great but it does the job. Here's a video that Keith posted demoing it and I think it really showcases the amp's tightness and clarity, no clue how to embed it though so here's the link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjd3-J_XeoY

LOL!! I about spit mountain dew all over my comp when I read your description of tightness!!!

Ok, you guys have me REAL curious about the Black winters now... Im looking to swap out the distortion in my Charvel. So, reading what ya'll have posted here. with the BW, I could expect more of the guitars tone, better clarity, better cleans.. right? Ok, so, how would you compare the low/mids/highs to a distortion? Is this to say the BW doesnt get as dirty as the dist? So far it looks like a win win..just dont want nothing shrill and want something that still delivers the gain goods...

I just did a comparison in the pickup selector of the distortion and my top 2 other prospects, the Patb1 and the BW. looks like the BW has alot more mids. Is is middy like a custom custom?? If I went that route, Id have to get bobbin toppers, cuz I need red.

 

[Gibson 1964]

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Ok, you guys have me REAL curious about the Black winters now... Im looking to swap out the distortion in my Charvel. So, reading what ya'll have posted here. with the BW, I could expect more of the guitars tone, better clarity, better cleans.. right? Ok, so, how would you compare the low/mids/highs to a distortion? Is this to say the BW doesnt get as dirty as the dist? So far it looks like a win win..just dont want nothing shrill and want something that still delivers the gain goods...

I just did a comparison in the pickup selector of the distortion and my top 2 other prospects, the Patb1 and the BW. looks like the BW has alot more mids. Is is middy like a custom custom?? If I went that route, Id have to get bobbin toppers, cuz I need red.

IME the BW gets as dirty as a DD if not more so. The BW is not middy IME. It is very flat in a good way. There are red floor shop custom BWs I have seen.

 

[BloodRose]

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The Eq curve on the tone chart looks like it is mid focused. cool that its not.. I dunno, Im tempted. Its just so hard to decide without hearing one. I dont have any expendable cash these days and it's not easy to sell a red pickup if I dont care for it.. I was really suprised and disappointed that the distortion wasnt more to my liking. Ive loved the one I had in an old Kramer many years ago..

 

[JOLLY]

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You can hear them here.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/pickup/duncan-distortion-trembucker

http://www.seymourduncan.com/pickup/black-winter-bridge

 

[dominus]

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I still think that Keith Merrow's video for the BW set was the *best* pickup demo I've seen/heard.

 

[TailBomb]

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I had the bw's in a alder body ran guitar and i did not like them. I found them generally to harsh in the upper mids and replaced the brigde with a distortion and the neck with a dimarzio paf, sounded much better.


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[BloodRose]

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They sound kinda thin clean in the beginning of this vid.. I thought the BW was bridge only? this guy makes it sound like there is a neck model too??

https://youtu.be/4yFm-eQ05Rw

Of course the dirty lead is loaded with effects.... ??

 

[BloodRose]

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I still think that Keith Merrow's video for the BW set was the *best* pickup demo I've seen/heard.

yeah, sounds good here. even the clean intro... maybe the facepaint makes the diff?? haha

 

[BloodRose]

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Id like to hear a demo of them without a ton of effects on a splawn or marshall.. most are either drenched in effects or done on a mesa or other sludgy amp.. haha.. I know im being picky. Im just frustrated.. this is the hardest guitar Ive ever had finding the right pup for. And it takes red pups, so rolling them is more difficult. plus they are direct mount to the body which has caused me some issue..seems like the cleans and clarity are better than the dist. I just worry they may be slightly shrill with the splawn as I play more 80s rock stuff over downtuned stuff

 

[Demanic]

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Had to listen to that demo again just for s&g.

 

[Progbusters]

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you can always resell the black winter. the distortion is harder to sell. i can't even sell mine.

 

[p4vl]

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I have a DD that was in my Ibanez RG 2550 and now resides in my Agile LP copy. Honestly, I wouldn't put the DD in anything but a Mahogany guitar; it really came to life when I threw it in my LP copy. It sounded really thin in the Basswood Ibanez even though I had it tuned to B.

I don't know if your Jackson Soloist is made of Alder or what but given that many people say that the Black Vinter is kind of a tonal descendant of the DD, you might want to consider other options (the Parallel Axis Distortion is said to be a bit thicker than the DD, in addition to being compressed as hell).

 

[Gibson 1964]

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I have a DD that was in my Ibanez RG 2550 and now resides in my Agile LP copy. Honestly, I wouldn't put the DD in anything but a Mahogany guitar; it really came to life when I threw it in my LP copy. It sounded really thin in the Basswood Ibanez even though I had it tuned to B.

I don't know if your Jackson Soloist is made of Alder or what but given that many people say that the Black Vinter is kind of a tonal descendant of the DD, you might want to consider other options (the Parallel Axis Distortion is said to be a bit thicker than the DD, in addition to being compressed as hell).

The Black Winter sounds great in a limba and black walnut, alder, and mahogany. I have tried it in those.

 

[Lucy Diamond]

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Hello,

The Black Winter Owners thread is a great resource if you are interested in picking up..this pickup (see what I did there?)

As far as comparing them to the distortions directly, I can only say that I'm one of those kats who likes to use an overdrive no matter how much gain my amp is capable of and with the Black Winters I don't feel like I need to all the time.

I have never used a Distortion Neck pickup. I can definitely tell you that the Black Winter SET is something very special. The neck pickup is amazing. All the details are in the Winter thread.

Enjoy your new pickups in good health.

~LD

 

[Megadethgal]

Re: Duncan Distortion vs Black Winter?

Hello,

The Black Winter Owners thread is a great resource if you are interested in picking up..this pickup (see what I did there?)

As far as comparing them to the distortions directly, I can only say that I'm one of those kats who likes to use an overdrive no matter how much gain my amp is capable of and with the Black Winters I don't feel like I need to all the time.

I have never used a Distortion Neck pickup. I can definitely tell you that the Black Winter SET is something very special. The neck pickup is amazing. All the details are in the Winter thread.

Enjoy your new pickups in good health.

~LD

I’ve used the black winters in a BC Rich NJ Warlock they sound great but I’ve been finding the neck one a bit too bright sounding for some styles of metal, I haven’t used distortions but I’ve been thinking of putting one in my Warlock’s neck position to complement the brightness of the winter with something darker and grittier. My advice is try one of either and see if it works in your guitar or not because trying is the only way you’ll know for sure.

 

[Iron1]

I’ve used the black winters in a BC Rich NJ Warlock they sound great but I’ve been finding the neck one a bit too bright sounding for some styles of metal, I haven’t used distortions but I’ve been thinking of putting one in my Warlock’s neck position to complement the brightness of the winter with something darker and grittier. My advice is try one of either and see if it works in your guitar or not because trying is the only way you’ll know for sure.

That's a nearly 6 year old post you replied to, FYI.

I really wanted to like the Black Winter but just couldn't. I much prefer the Distortion, and in some applications the Invader. The Black Winter I had brought this ice-pickey high-mid I couldn't seem to get rid of that just drove me nuts. Never had that issue with any of the Distortion, Invader or HB103s I've had. Depending on what you play, I'd bet an Invader would sound amazing in an NJ Warlock.

At the end go the day, the resale market on all these options is strong so it's not like anyone is going to go bankrupt from buying one, then reselling it to buy another if it doesn't work for them.

 

[dave74]

Yes like Iron1 said ^^^, you want the Invader at the bridge.

My wmdWarbeast (3pc-maple neck-thru, nato wings, ebony, ofr) absolutely loves the Invader.
It's also a great pickup for parallel and split functions. Cleans aren't bad at all IMO, just roll the volume back or go to your neck instead.

If you are going to be rolling back the volume on the bridge then consider a treble-bleed or no-tone/1meg pots.

500k volume and no-tone works fine for what I want out of the bridge. It's a bright zingy guitar to begin with,,,nice lows too but a bit scooped in the mids.



Invaders will have more oomph to the lower-mids, and BW will have more of an out-front center to upper midrange.