Early Duncan EVH pickup

[MattPete]

Believe it or not, evhguitars got me thinking. I seem to remember seeing an advertisement from the late 1970s (Guitar Player?) for a Seymour Duncan Eddie Van Halen pickup. Alas, I can not find that ad (I've search Google images with every combination of keywords I can think of). Does anyone know anything about that pickup? Was that the 78/Evenly Voiced Harmonics or something else?

See this interview:

http://www.vhlinks.com/pages/interviews/evh/gp122979.php

 

[hamerfan]

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I think i remember he offered the EVH pickup in the beginning, than he got legal problems and stopped it. Now the 78 is the same pup with a different name.

EVH: Yeah. And also, him selling it and advertising, makes it seem to the fans like I'm selling myself. They don't know that I'm against it. They think that I'm out for the bucks. That's not it at all. So it's kind of a drag. There's another guy too...See, I've rewound my own pickups before, and a guy named Seymour Duncan, I got pissed at him too. He called me up and said, "Can we use your name for a special pickup?" And I said no. Next time I pick up Guitar Player magazine, there's a special Van Halen model customized Duncan pickup. I called him up and said, "What the hell's goin' on?" So he stopped finally. It's just kind of weird you know.

 

[evhguitars]

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I think i remember he offered the EVH pickup in the beginning, than he got legal problems and stopped it. Now the 78 is the same pup with a different name.

Supposedly, it was listed in Guitar magazine ads...and was probably the First marketing Hum PUP of SD...with it being name changed from JB to the EVH. Of course, like the Charvel guitars they were limited and the companies had to stop production.

It is also odd that EVH, Seymour Ducan, Floyd Rose and Kramer were teamed up but they did not put EVH model SDs in their guitars, EVH used Heavy blocks on his Floyds but the Kramers Floyds came with thin blocks??

I do not think the EVH (a different one) was ever offered again until around the late 90s or early
2000s

 

[evhguitars]

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GP: There goes your identity.

EVH: Yeah. And also, him selling it and advertising, makes it seem to the fans like I'm selling myself. They don't know that I'm against it. They think that I'm out for the bucks. That's not it at all. So it's kind of a drag. There's another guy too...See, I've rewound my own pickups before, and a guy named Seymour Duncan, I got pissed at him too. He called me up and said, "Can we use your name for a special pickup?" And I said no. Next time I pick up Guitar Player magazine, there's a special Van Halen model customized Duncan pickup. I called him up and said, "What the hell's goin' on?" So he stopped finally. It's just kind of weird you know.

 

[Robert S.]

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The JB has always been called the JB and nothing else.

 

[evhguitars]

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For your info!!The Early models of the JB were labeled "The JB Model" in red lettering...not a simple JB in black lettering.

In the early days around 1978 "The JB Model" and "The Van Halen Model" were rewound physical copies of the original Gibson PAFs only with a higher output... possibly rewound to the same ohms for both Jeff Beck and Eddie Van Halen and all the other High Profile artist that got the SD Jeff Beck/ EVH style Gibson PAF rewinds

 

[Robert S.]

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Reading the yellow is not easy.

After 10 years and over 20,000 posts I may have learned a little about the SD line and its history but feel free to correct me as you deem necessary!

Pick a new color...

 

[Robert S.]

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Ok, just because humbuckers all spring from Seths original design it is not accurate to say that the JB is a copy of the original Gibson Pafs. There was never a 16k PAF and gibson never used the wire gauge used in the JB.

The second sentence doesn't make sense.

 

[dominus]

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EVH: They think that I'm out for the bucks.

Ahh, how things have changed.

 

[evhguitars]

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Ok, just because humbuckers all spring from Seths original design it is not accurate to say that the JB is a copy of the original Gibson Pafs. There was never a 16k PAF and gibson never used the wire gauge used in the JB.

The second sentence doesn't make sense.

Ok, The Hum physical design was copied but wound to JB specs..using different wire..and different plastics

The first Jeff Beck model pups were labeled "The JB model" with red lettering that is what they were called..later it became only JB..so the name label did change it was not always the same!

 

[evhguitars]

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Ahh, how things have changed.

Truely!

 

[evhguitars]

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Believe it or not, evhguitars got me thinking. I seem to remember seeing an advertisement from the late 1970s (Guitar Player?) for a Seymour Duncan Eddie Van Halen pickup. Alas, I can not find that ad (I've search Google images with every combination of keywords I can think of). Does anyone know anything about that pickup? Was that the 78/Evenly Voiced Harmonics or something else?

See this interview:

http://www.vhlinks.com/pages/interviews/evh/gp122979.php

I think it was something else...probably labeled with a Printed sticker like "The JB Model" only labe , "The Van Halen Model" or "The Eddie Van Halen Model" or "The EVH Model" or some other name like Van Halen Speical.

 

[jafo]

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I think i remember he offered the EVH pickup in the beginning, than he got legal problems and stopped it. Now the 78 is the same pup with a different name.

EVH: Yeah. And also, him selling it and advertising, makes it seem to the fans like I'm selling myself. They don't know that I'm against it. They think that I'm out for the bucks. That's not it at all. So it's kind of a drag. There's another guy too...See, I've rewound my own pickups before, and a guy named Seymour Duncan, I got pissed at him too. He called me up and said, "Can we use your name for a special pickup?" And I said no. Next time I pick up Guitar Player magazine, there's a special Van Halen model customized Duncan pickup. I called him up and said, "What the hell's goin' on?" So he stopped finally. It's just kind of weird you know.

D'oh! I'd completely forgotten about all of that -- even though it was precisely that incident which made me choose DiMarzio for my first pup buy... So yeah, evhguitars, you're right, and some of us owe you an apology. Sorry!

 

[jafo]

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Ok, The Hum physical design was copied but wound to JB specs..using different wire..and different plastics

True, but the specific winding pattern is just as relevant -- maybe more so. Two pups made with the same materials and wound to the same specs can sound totally different; tight, even tension with precise spooling (i.e., like a bobbin of thread) is lifeless, but a little irregularity in the tension and wires per layer -- not to mention some scattering of wires across the layer -- add life and air. That's why a PG and an A2P (or an A2 Jazz and an A2P) sound so different.

 

[evhguitars]

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D'oh! I'd completely forgotten about all of that -- even though it was precisely that incident which made me choose DiMarzio for my first pup buy... So yeah, evhguitars, you're right, and some of us owe you an apology. Sorry!

No big deal!

 

[evhguitars]

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True, but the specific winding pattern is just as relevant -- maybe more so. Two pups made with the same materials and wound to the same specs can sound totally different; tight, even tension with precise spooling (i.e., like a bobbin of thread) is lifeless, but a little irregularity in the tension and wires per layer -- not to mention some scattering of wires across the layer -- add life and air. That's why a PG and an A2P (or an A2 Jazz and an A2P) sound so different.

True!

 

[Luke Duke]

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Ok, The Hum physical design was copied but wound to JB specs..using different wire..and different plastics

The first Jeff Beck model pups were labeled "The JB model" with red lettering that is what they were called..later it became only JB..so the name label did change it was not always the same!

Dude, there is no smoking gun, no conspiracy. The JB and 78 and completely different. They always have been they always will be. Changing a label from "the JB model to "the jb" means nothing. Zip, zilch, zero. You are spreading disinformation to the detriment of the forum.

 

[evhguitars]

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Dude, there is no smoking gun, no conspiracy. The JB and 78 and completely different. They always have been they always will be. Changing a label from "the JB model to "the jb" means nothing. Zip, zilch, zero. You are spreading disinformation to the detriment of the forum.

The red ink label was Changed from "The JB model" to black ink "JB" not "the jb".

A pup labeled "78" did not exist in 1978.

 

[jafo]

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A pup labeled "78" did not exist in 1978.[/SIZE]

True, but that's just a name.

 

[evhguitars]

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True, but that's just a name.

Yes, so that raises the BIG question that has not yet been answered...

What was the first SD hum pup advertised and marketed that was not a rewind?

Was it the PUP that EVH complained about findng the ad in a Guitar Player magazine using his name, or the JB or were those 2 one in the same at that time in 78?