Edwards vs Gibson

tubeman87

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Ok, it's probably been posed before but what the hell (and it would help me with a gear delema)

Would a Edwards Les Paul (thier top of the line model, with up graded pups, as close as possible vintage specs, pots, bumble bee caps., wiring, nitro finish, tone pros bridge ect...ect) compare to a Gibson Les Paul Standard?

Cost: Edwards w/upgrades aprox $1000-1200 depending on what you want.

Cost: Gibson Standard stock $2200+ depending on were you buy it.

Thoughts..........
 
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Search for a used Gibson LP Std for $1400. It will be a better guitar and will always be worth $1500 +/-

Buy a new Edwards for $1000, and it's worth $550 the second you own it.

Or, buy a used Edwards for $550-$600, and you've got a decent guitar that you can always sell for what you paid. And in 2 years, you'll be selling it to get the Gibson. hehe
 
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I tend to agree with Joe. Be sure you play it and listen very closely before you buy it, but if there's any chance you'll sell it that's the way to go.
 
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There isn't an Edwards that compares to the Standard feature-wise, they are in different classes. Certain aspects of the Gibson are more cost and time intensive such as binding and finish.

Now if you mention Tokai, then we can start comparing apples and apples.
 
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Don't know about Edwards, but I've played Tokais that are better than Gibsons and were cheaper.
 
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ok than lets compare tokais to gibbos.

Tokai could get you there. Problem is,Tokai prices are rapidly approaching Gibbys. The favored models being high-end 80's Love Rocks which in some cases sell for as high as $2,400.

I bought a new LS150 a year or so ago for about $1,100. it's nice, but not quite as nice as a (good) Gibby. It's a little deader (is that a word?) acoustically. But it sounds very good plugged in (not usually the case IME) Having said that, it looks much better than the new LP Standards I've seen. Spec-wise it's very similar save the missing fret-end tabs. It's kind of heavy too, but it doesn't have weight relief holes like a Gibby--perhaps that's a good thing.

This model has a lacquer finish, bone nut, lightweight aluminum tailpiece, thick flamed maple cap (not veneer), Switchcraft electronics, CTS pots, Orange Drop caps. The only weak point is the pickups IMO. I dropped in a Duncan 59 neck and a HighOrder bridge and it smokes. I guess the only thing that really bugs me is the weight issue...but for half the price of a Gibby I'd say it's a pretty good deal. Keep in mind you can probably find a good used Gibby for just $300 more...of course it won't have a killer flame top like my Tokai.

I'd say you need a LS-150 or better to be on par spec-wise. But you could probably get pretty close tonewise with a slightly lower model.

I have a Burny LP Custom that is also excellent. I had to swap out all the electronics and it's also a little heavy, but I'd say it's as good as my Tokai. I think I dropped about $650 on that one. Most of the LP knock-offs (including Burnys) are hard to ID though...you may be getting a MIK POS...so buyer beware when entering this market.
 
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You may want to look at the Orvilles. Fantastic MIJ Gibsons.....I love mine! They can be had for about $500-$600 plus shipping from Japan ($100). They are beginning to become a collectors item. I've been wanting to get another while they are still affordable.

I put Rio Grande pickups in mine and it ROCKS!!!
 
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Gibson has bad QC. Gibson has bad frets. Gibson has bad finishes. Gibson has weight relief holes. Gibson isn't using the long tenon neck joint anymore.

You'll hear tons of stuff like that, and there are examples of Gibsons with those problems, but when you find a good LP, it's likely to blow pretty much any copy out there out of the water.
 
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There isn't an Edwards that compares to the Standard feature-wise, they are in different classes. Certain aspects of the Gibson are more cost and time intensive such as binding and finish.

Now if you mention Tokai, then we can start comparing apples and apples.


I disagree.

The binding and finish on my Edwards LP Custom Sykes is flawless.

If you need nitro go with a the Lacquer Taste series Edwards.
Yes, it's a final top coat of lacquer over poly.
But, todays Gibby productions use a poly/nitro blend anyways.
I beleive it was JeffH or JeffB that just tried checking thier Gibby
with no success do to the blend.

So what if the Gibby has binding nibs over the frets. It's purely cosmetic.
Serves no practicle purpose other than looks.
The dressing of my Edwards fret ends is perfect. No sharp edges or anything.
To me, properly dressed frets are more important than looks.

As for veneer on plain maple tops.
To me, it's no different the a primed and painted gold top.
It's purely for looks.
It's the thick plain maple carved top that's the important factor for achieving
those LP top ends. Which the Edwards has.

If the veneer is still an issue, go with the plain top then.
Then your just down to the argument of
Poly/Nitro blend vs poly/lacquer top coat.

A majority of the Edwards I have seen have had one piece mahogany backs.
Many Gibby productions are now two piece.

Edwards have long neck tenons.
Gibby production have short tenons.

Argument of resale value.
My total cost for my Edwards LPC was $735. Shipped and customs.
Average ebay price still has been around $550 to $700.

Since Edwards aren't sold here in the States, people are more willing to
pay that when the guitar is already here in the States,
because they are leary of buying from overseas.

Average ebay resale I've seen most '05 or '06 Gibby productions LP Standards go for is $1600 to $1800. Most online places sell them for $2300 new.
That's still a $500 to $700 loss.
Why is it not a big deal when it's a Gibby?
But, if I only get $550 for my Edwards, that's $150 loss is unexceptable.

My whole point is reading through the posts, it seems like many of you are
making the Edwards out to be on the level of a Chinese Epiphone.
It clearly is not. And I question how many of you owned an Edwards.

Is it a Navigator or Tokai LS350? No.
But, neither is a Gibson Production a Historic.

I think the Edwards (or standard production MIJ Tokai, Burny, Epi Elitist, etc..) is more Apples to Apples than many think.

Again, I remember one of the Jeffs owning a Edwards.
He said the quality was top notch. Just that the one he had just didn't give him the tone or feel of the Gibson he already had.
But, how many Gibson did he have to try out to find that "right" one.
I'm sure the same thing can be said for any guitar out there.
finding that "right one". The one that speaks to you.
finding that "right" PRS, Ibanez, Hamer, Jackson, Carvin, etc...

So, trying a $700 Edwards sight unseen is a little more easy on the mind than trying a $2300 Gibson LP Standard sight unseen.
 
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Def the Edwards guitars are BUILT very well. Very good QC. Damn near flawless. Finish, fret jobs, nut,etc. That by far is the best quality about them. And if that is your biggest concern, then buy one.

IMO, They don't FEEL like a Les Paul. Its like the diff between picking up a Custom shop Fender Closet Classic, then picking up a MIM strat: looks kinda the same, but feels quite different.

Lacquer Taste= joke. The finish is waxy feeling, SUPER thick and is NOTHING AT ALL like a real lacquer finish...whether pseudo Nitro like cuurent Gibsons, real-deal Nitro on old ones or something like the lacquer Hamer USA uses. It has about as much in common with a good lacquer as a Yugo does with a Cayman S.

Tone on mine was mellow..warm..dark..muffled...small...dead..whatever you want to call it. When a JB and a 59 sound dead, thin, and mellow in the highs..there is an issue. Unfortunately I've found this VERY typical of Import guitars whether it was MIJ/MIC/MIK...they lack a certain 3D quality and/or open-ness..acoustically. Only my 81 Destroyer had the big open 3D tone I'm used to with Hamer USA, Heritage, Gibson, Dean USA. So this isn't a knock on Edwards so much as imports in general.

IMO, the Tokai LS75 I had, hands down was a much better Les Paul than the Edwards. But, neither compare to a good Gibson. But for half the price they stack up well. The Devil is in the details.
 
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If you shop around you can get a brand new Gibson Historic R8 for less than what Musician's Friend sells Standards for.

I did.

Best purchase I've ever made. Unless you like gas. Whenever I go to the guitar shops nothing does it for me anymore. They all feel like toys in comparison.

I recommend checking out the Les Paul Forums' forum dealers. Get some quotes.

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JeffB;1213734 Tone on mine was mellow..warm..dark..muffled...small...dead..whatever you want to call it. When a JB and a 59 sound dead said:
And see, I'm not having that issue with either my Edwards LPC or my
Diodati guitars. All which are MIJ.

Now my Edwards does have the Duncan Distortions.
Which are aggressive pickups.
Which I expected and wanted.
I'm not having problems with mud or dullness.

The poly finish doesn't bother me.
I'm in the minority. I don't care for nitro.
It's too sticky or grimey feeling for me.
My Diodatis have an acrylic lacquer which is very nice.

In my Diodati I swapped out the pickups. I didn't care for the stock Gotoh pickups.
I tried the Carvin Alan Holdsworth H22n and Carvin C22b.
Made a huge difference.
A lot more openness, clarity, and dynamics.

On the other hand, my Fernandes Ravelled Deluxe(MIC) has
the Duncan Jazz/JB combo.
That guitar sounds compressed in tone compared to the others.

My:
Diodati 59Q, Edwards Sykes LPC, Diodati 58, Fernandes Ravelle Deluxe.
 
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I disagree.

The binding and finish on my Edwards LP Custom Sykes is flawless.

If you need nitro go with a the Lacquer Taste series Edwards.
Yes, it's a final top coat of lacquer over poly.
But, todays Gibby productions use a poly/nitro blend anyways.
I beleive it was JeffH or JeffB that just tried checking thier Gibby
with no success do to the blend.

So what if the Gibby has binding nibs over the frets. It's purely cosmetic.
Serves no practicle purpose other than looks.
The dressing of my Edwards fret ends is perfect. No sharp edges or anything.
To me, properly dressed frets are more important than looks.

As for veneer on plain maple tops.
To me, it's no different the a primed and painted gold top.
It's purely for looks.
It's the thick plain maple carved top that's the important factor for achieving
those LP top ends. Which the Edwards has.

If the veneer is still an issue, go with the plain top then.
Then your just down to the argument of
Poly/Nitro blend vs poly/lacquer top coat.

A majority of the Edwards I have seen have had one piece mahogany backs.
Many Gibby productions are now two piece.

Edwards have long neck tenons.
Gibby production have short tenons.

Argument of resale value.
My total cost for my Edwards LPC was $735. Shipped and customs.
Average ebay price still has been around $550 to $700.

Since Edwards aren't sold here in the States, people are more willing to
pay that when the guitar is already here in the States,
because they are leary of buying from overseas.

Average ebay resale I've seen most '05 or '06 Gibby productions LP Standards go for is $1600 to $1800. Most online places sell them for $2300 new.
That's still a $500 to $700 loss.
Why is it not a big deal when it's a Gibby?
But, if I only get $550 for my Edwards, that's $150 loss is unexceptable.

My whole point is reading through the posts, it seems like many of you are
making the Edwards out to be on the level of a Chinese Epiphone.
It clearly is not. And I question how many of you owned an Edwards.

Is it a Navigator or Tokai LS350? No.
But, neither is a Gibson Production a Historic.

I think the Edwards (or standard production MIJ Tokai, Burny, Epi Elitist, etc..) is more Apples to Apples than many think.

Again, I remember one of the Jeffs owning a Edwards.
He said the quality was top notch. Just that the one he had just didn't give him the tone or feel of the Gibson he already had.
But, how many Gibson did he have to try out to find that "right" one.
I'm sure the same thing can be said for any guitar out there.
finding that "right one". The one that speaks to you.
finding that "right" PRS, Ibanez, Hamer, Jackson, Carvin, etc...

So, trying a $700 Edwards sight unseen is a little more easy on the mind than trying a $2300 Gibson LP Standard sight unseen.

I've owned Edwards, and I've done side-by-side comparison too. ;) I've found their Lacquer Taste SGs to be inferior to the Gibson Standard

My point was not about what you like, or the differences being functional in your opinion, it was about the adding cost the the product. The binding, the finish, real maple top and American labor are all going to add to the base cost of the product over what Edwards uses. Sure, LPs are over priced, but the base coast is also higher to produce these guitars.

I am no in any way saying Edwards are bad guitars, or don't have the potential to be better than a its Gibson counterpart...this post is about COST and from what I can see, a Gibson will cost more to build.

A $1000 Edwards and a $2000 Gibson are not in the same class feature-wise. It is not a fair comparison bases on cost. The Edwards will always be cheaper.
 
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Kherman, what are these Diodatis? Never heard of 'em. Give us a little background on them.
 
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A related question: what makes a Gibson / Les Paul / Edwards / Tokai worth what it sells for used? I mean, yeah, the condition of the guitar, but what else? I've been wondering this. As for bindings, do they help in terms of feel? Because I've yet to play a guitar with bindings that I am aware of.

I mean, in terms of only playability and comfort, not looks, what really makes a guitar "all that and a bag of chips"? I've really not gotten lots of time to play on a neck, and at first (Lite Ash) I thought it was neck / fretboard material, the finish (satin), and the radius and quality of the fret job. Now I'm wondering, is there more?
 
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A related question: what makes a Gibson / Les Paul / Edwards / Tokai worth what it sells for used?

The same as anything else....whatever the Market will bear.

As for bindings, do they help in terms of feel? Because I've yet to play a guitar with bindings that I am aware of.

Some people don't like Gibson's way of binding. I happen to love to feel. It's nice and smooth...no chance of ever catching a rough spot on the neck. It feels uniform all the way down.

Binding without the nubs looks cheap and tacky to me. I'm not one for highly stylized, flashy guitars, so things like non-functional binding don't appeal to me.
 
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If resale is a concern at all, get a used Gibson USA. I've done the LP Copy thing myself, and at the end of the day, I still wanted the real deal. Save yourself time, money and aggrevation and just wait until you can find a nice used Standard and call it a day.
 
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