el34/6l6/ 6v6

bluesfloyd

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hi guys,
how would you guys best explain the sound from these three tubes, el34's 6l6's 6v6's i am most interested what you guys are hearing, and the terms you guys used to decribe the sound of the three tubes,

all the best, bluesfloyd,
 
Re: el34/6l6/ 6v6

EL34 has more mids compared to the 6L6. Think Marshall vs. Fender. Not as familiar with the 6V6.
 
Re: el34/6l6/ 6v6

The 6l6 is more hifi. Flatter eq and deeper lows and higher highs. Fender started using them for that reason. El34s are mid-hump, eq shelved a little and lower output than 6l6s so they drive a little faster. The 55somethingsomething was designed to compete with the 6l6 but still be british.
The 6v6 is constantly hot and has a creamy od because of it.
 
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My bad, the kt88 was supposed to be the 6l6 of britain. I dont remember what the 6550 was supposed to be.

The 6v6 is olllllllld though. Its small too. Only puts out like 5 to 10 watts. The el84 is probably britain's version of the small power tube and is about the same output.
 
Re: el34/6l6/ 6v6

The 6V6 is like a lower power EL34 Marshall sound, but more compression and brighter chimey cleans. It's awesome sounding and excellent for touch response. Touch it and you get chimey cleans, lay into it and it can howl like the afterburner of a jet.
 
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My bad, the kt88 was supposed to be the 6l6 of britain. I dont remember what the 6550 was supposed to be.

The 6v6 is olllllllld though. Its small too. Only puts out like 5 to 10 watts. The el84 is probably britain's version of the small power tube and is about the same output.

hi guys,
just checking, would you say el84's and 6v6's sound the same or even in the same sound/tone range??????

all the best, bluesfloyd
 
Re: el34/6l6/ 6v6

No, they're just similar output levels. They were the small radio/small appliance power tube that were either made here or across the pond.
The more I read about tubes, the more I start to understand that every bit of mojo in them is by mistake or laziness in design. Just like germanium transistors.
 
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My bad, the kt88 was supposed to be the 6l6 of britain. I dont remember what the 6550 was supposed to be.

The 6v6 is olllllllld though. Its small too. Only puts out like 5 to 10 watts. The el84 is probably britain's version of the small power tube and is about the same output.

Sorry dude but your just flat wrong there... the KT88 is designed as a high power tube a pair should give 100 watts easily in class AB it is not at all just suppose to be Britains 6L6. The KT88 is closest to the 6550 but a 6550 will only take 600v's where a KT88 will take 800v's.

The EL34 is a pentode where the 6L6 is a beam tetrode, so is the 6V6. The 6L6 is actually OLDER than the 6V6 by only 1 year but it is still older. The EL84 is a pentode like the EL34. They werent necessarily desinged to be english equivalents to American designs. Many of those companies had agreements/over seas divisions. Infact the 6L6 was designed by Marconi Osram Valve ( which was owned by GE) but they thought that it would be difficult to mass produce so they licensed it to RCA. The KT66 was designed as their more stable version of the same idea a year or so later. (But RCA proved that they could make the 6L6 stable and had huge success with it) The reason they were doing this was because Phillips held patents on power pentodes in europe. (Thats Phillips as in "Mullard Phillips") Using beam tetrodes allowed them to circumvent this.

Fender didnt choose 6L6's because of their tone but chose them because they were the commonly available valve in America that fit the power requirements. None of these tubes were designed with guitar amps in mind they were designed as signal amplifiers mostly in radios but in other areas too just so happened that guitar amps could use the same technology.

The EL84 was actually designed so that you could eliminate the triode in the preamp of radios. Saving you the socket and space in manufacturing (hence the decisions to use 9 pins instead of the 8 pin configuration like the 6V6) But the EL84 and EL34 are newer designs. They came about in the 50's where the 6L6,6v6,KT66 came about in the 30's In general beam tetrodes produce less THD than pentodes do. But you run into problems with making this a blanket statement.

Over the years many tubes have been sold as EL34 or 6L6 that really arent and dont faithfully follow the original designs. A good case in point was the early 6v6 sold by Sovtek. It was actually a russian tube designed as a 6L6 substitute but slightly smaller it just happened that it would work in a 6v6 application. Many EL34's sold are not actually pentodes but are beam tetrodes they just will work in the EL34's spec.

Another good example are the current KT66's NONE of those sold have the same architecture as the original design infact most are not even the stated KT as in kinkless tetrode. Most are actually heavy duty 6L6 designs in bigger glass.

You can speak of tubes in generalities but not absolutes. Its possible to find big bottom glassy EL34's its possible to find dirty mid heavy 6L6's. These days you almost have to try each brand and version out on their own as 6L6's from Sovtek dont sound like 6L6's from JJ.




Oh and as a very important side note do not forget that discussing tubes without discussing the amplifier design is kinda like talking about engines without talking about the chassis. With the right amount of filtering you can make a 6v6 amp that is uncompressed and clean. Many of the amps that use 6v6's were designed to be small so they dont have adequate rectification and the transformers are too small. So you start pushing them hard and they distort and compress easily. Same goes for any tube type. Then guys want to know well if i take the same design of amp and swap the tubes what will the changes be... it depends... on the amp and the tubes.
 
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hi guys,
just checking, would you say el84's and 6v6's sound the same or even in the same sound/tone range??????

all the best, bluesfloyd

Not even close, in general these 2 tubes couldnt be more different. In broad terms EL84's are bright and chimey while 6L6's are fat and soft.
 
Re: el34/6l6/ 6v6

Hey, I answered to the best of my knowledge. Thanks for taking the time to reeducate me and tan my hide in the process.
 
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Hey, I answered to the best of my knowledge. Thanks for taking the time to reeducate me and tan my hide in the process.

Wasnt intending to tan hide but maybe its a good thing... Tanning helps with vitamin D production.

But I will say sorry slightly if i ruffled some feathers and stepped on toes...
 
Re: el34/6l6/ 6v6

I'm embarrassed to say that I learned a lot about the differences between a 6L6 power section and an EL34 power section from a Korg ToneWorks multi-effects unit that let you put EQ curves on your guitar signal simulating the two.
The results: Exactly what gibson175 said.
I have used amps with both types of tubes, as well as 6L6's, just never conducted a tone shootout with them.

I did notice over the years that if you're after a Marshall type roar, 6L6 is not the way to go. They don't cut through the mix if you've got drums and keys or horns in the band. EL34 power amps because of their midrange character, cut through a mix easier if you've dialed in some distortion.
OTOH, if you're playing clean or if you're using a blues type overdrive (a Bassman tone as opposed to a Marshall tone), you'll cut through the mix fine with a 6L6 power amp.

If I had my dream rig, I'd do something like what Eric Johnson does and use multiple amps - a Fender with 6L6's for clean tones and Marshal with EL34's for rock distortion type tones.
 
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Edgecrusher, that was a nice bit of info there. I love diving into the history of technology, especially our tubes that we love so much.
 
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Edgecrusher, that was a nice bit of info there. I love diving into the history of technology, especially our tubes that we love so much.

Thanks... At the end of the day as much as i like guitars where I really geek out is on amps and in paticular tube amps I have tons of useless information like that rolling around... Like what the E and L actually mean in EL34

just in case your curious mullard had their own tube designation system. The first letter is the heater rating like E is 6.3v's The letters dont necessarily follow chronologically and not all were used but like for example G is 5v's
The second letter is the type of device, L happens to stand for either power pentode or power tetrode. The numbers were the base type and series. Like numbers 30-39 were all 8 pin octal sockets 80-89 were all 9 pin like 12ax7's. Keep in mind this scheme only works for mullard designations and doesnt mean squat for other brands names. So now you know EL34 means 6.3v heater pins on a power pentode with a 8 pin socket.
 
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